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I always wonder where EU fits into the malware scene. We already know which countries have these kind of espionage tools: US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel

I always wonder where EU fits into the malware scene. We already know which countries have these kind of espionage tools: US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel. So is EU really that ethical to not engage in these kinds of moves? Or they are smart enough not to get discovered? Or somebody here will point out that I'm just not up to date?

nargek 6y ago
There was malware from EU, i know that France developed some of them[1]. -- [1] https://apt.thaicert.or.th/cgi-bin/showcard.cgi?g=Snowglobe%2C%20Animal%20Farm&n=1 https://apt.thaicert.or.th/cgi-bin/showcard.cgi?g=Snowglobe%...
teichmann 6y ago
In Germany there was the Staatstrojaner (Federal Trojan horse) case uncovered by the Chaos Computer Club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club#Staatstrojaner_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club#Staatstroj...
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
Europe's malware industry has mostly been legalised in the name of fighting (narco)terrorists and pedos: E.g. on this "legalized" end of the spectrum Netherlands, Italy, UK, Germany, Switzerland, France, all have _very_ active companies and strong talent pool for offsec skills and what is "legal malware" (Bundestrojaner varieties like Mini/Mega-Panzer, etc). ETSI in France works hard so that the term "malware" doesn't even enter language (instead it's middleboxes like eTLS or standards covering the framework of Lawful Interception). The countries listed have strong relation between offsec vendors and consultants and the IC. E.g. Kudelski Security in Geneve prides itself on breaking phones, supplying tooling and a lab to Europol. HackingTeam, Gamma International, EncroChat, Sky ECC, Vupen, ... = all European. The EU countries which have (some) talent but lack the jobs are often "painted as corrupt" backwaters where "everyone is a criminal[1]", usually cover the rest. [1] e.g. see this PR/FUD video produced by the ghouls at Norton pretending to be journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI

nargek 6y ago

There was malware from EU, i know that France developed some of them[1]. -- [1] https://apt.thaicert.or.th/cgi-bin/showcard.cgi?g=Snowglobe%2C%20Animal%20Farm&n=1 https://apt.thaicert.or.th/cgi-bin/showcard.cgi?g=Snowglobe%...

teichmann 6y ago

In Germany there was the Staatstrojaner (Federal Trojan horse) case uncovered by the Chaos Computer Club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club#Staatstrojaner_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Computer_Club#Staatstroj...

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

Europe's malware industry has mostly been legalised in the name of fighting (narco)terrorists and pedos: E.g. on this "legalized" end of the spectrum Netherlands, Italy, UK, Germany, Switzerland, France, all have _very_ active companies and strong talent pool for offsec skills and what is "legal malware" (Bundestrojaner varieties like Mini/Mega-Panzer, etc). ETSI in France works hard so that the term "malware" doesn't even enter language (instead it's middleboxes like eTLS or standards covering the framework of Lawful Interception). The countries listed have strong relation between offsec vendors and consultants and the IC. E.g. Kudelski Security in Geneve prides itself on breaking phones, supplying tooling and a lab to Europol. HackingTeam, Gamma International, EncroChat, Sky ECC, Vupen, ... = all European. The EU countries which have (some) talent but lack the jobs are often "painted as corrupt" backwaters where "everyone is a criminal[1]", usually cover the rest. [1] e.g. see this PR/FUD video produced by the ghouls at Norton pretending to be journalists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI