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> the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for p

> the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Or when has a political fashion ever turned out to be sorely wrong, and new viewpoints were needed? Wait, I remember a few times - but I’m sure that this time is going to be different. Also, “fragile white boys”? This kind of ad hominem makes you sound like a raging ideologue.

evgen 5y ago
> Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Sometimes discussion serves no value. I will not bother to discuss racial theories with a member of the Proud Boys or KKK because the discussion is a waste of time. No one has made any claim regarding legality here, so you are free to question any viewpoint and should be prepared to face the consequences in exactly the same manner that the people you are objecting to once faced consequences for questioning your conventional viewpoint. This sort of a discussion and questioning of viewpoints is exactly what is happening here, but one side is losing an argument that they assumed was not up for debate so they try to work the refs. Doesn't matter, but it is fun to watch. > Also, “fragile white boys”? I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' without trying to be ironic, so if the shoe fits...
- Clewza313 5y ago
  Do you not see the irony in labeling people who politely disagree with you "members of the KKK"? Or are you just trolling?
  - evgen 5y ago
    All who politely disagree are not members of the KKK, but those who are should be ignored. The range of casual racism and misogyny that can safely be dismissed and ignored has increased. This seems to be the source of most of this conflict, but it is unlikely to change in the future.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  You argued that we shouldn't always have viewpoint diversity. If you don't have viewpoint diversity you have viewpoint monoculture. There is no way this is going to happen short of enforcing it legally (even then there is going to be dissent, so you would rather need something like brainwash, which should already tell you everything about whether this is a good idea, really.) > I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' I think this statement is fairly telling regarding the degree to which you seem to interpret everything through your particular political lens. Together with your use of "conventional" almost as if it were an insult, and talk of "sides"/the KKK/"losing" it's like you think you're part of some revolution. I would seriously consider whether that's true.
- da_big_ghey 5y ago
  > I will not bother to discuss racial theories with... KKK why? there are persons who do this and have success. if you are desiring for to stop racist you must start with most racist, no? https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/daryl-davis-black-musician-who-converts-ku-klux-klan-members https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/daryl-davis-bl...

evgen 5y ago

> Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Sometimes discussion serves no value. I will not bother to discuss racial theories with a member of the Proud Boys or KKK because the discussion is a waste of time. No one has made any claim regarding legality here, so you are free to question any viewpoint and should be prepared to face the consequences in exactly the same manner that the people you are objecting to once faced consequences for questioning your conventional viewpoint. This sort of a discussion and questioning of viewpoints is exactly what is happening here, but one side is losing an argument that they assumed was not up for debate so they try to work the refs. Doesn't matter, but it is fun to watch. > Also, “fragile white boys”? I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' without trying to be ironic, so if the shoe fits...

Clewza313 5y ago
Do you not see the irony in labeling people who politely disagree with you "members of the KKK"? Or are you just trolling?
- evgen 5y ago
  All who politely disagree are not members of the KKK, but those who are should be ignored. The range of casual racism and misogyny that can safely be dismissed and ignored has increased. This seems to be the source of most of this conflict, but it is unlikely to change in the future.
read_if_gay_ 5y ago
You argued that we shouldn't always have viewpoint diversity. If you don't have viewpoint diversity you have viewpoint monoculture. There is no way this is going to happen short of enforcing it legally (even then there is going to be dissent, so you would rather need something like brainwash, which should already tell you everything about whether this is a good idea, really.) > I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' I think this statement is fairly telling regarding the degree to which you seem to interpret everything through your particular political lens. Together with your use of "conventional" almost as if it were an insult, and talk of "sides"/the KKK/"losing" it's like you think you're part of some revolution. I would seriously consider whether that's true.
da_big_ghey 5y ago
> I will not bother to discuss racial theories with... KKK why? there are persons who do this and have success. if you are desiring for to stop racist you must start with most racist, no? https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/daryl-davis-black-musician-who-converts-ku-klux-klan-members https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/mar/18/daryl-davis-bl...