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Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The r

Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The rank repugnance of the self-fellating culture of DJ worship is at the forefront of this many-headed hydra of rapacious rot. Overbearing anthems, boring breakdowns, and tasteless DJ vanity have combined into one monstrous, obnoxious, pompous, unlistenable Babylonian nega-demon. Who is to blame for unleashing such a hideous beast of seething filth upon our ears?"

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
most brilliant thing I've seen this week. I want to see feedback like this as the top comments of every "Show HN" :D
matt_j 5y ago
Salty, but not wrong!
jasondoty 5y ago
The descriptions are salty at every genre that is even somewhat popular. God forbid people actually enjoying the music without being under influence of several drugs
- skrebbel 5y ago
  You're mixing up "you shouldn't like this" with "I don't like this". The site is basically one very elaborate opinion piece. Ishkur doesn't like Eurotrance. Deal with it.
tarsinge 5y ago
These kind of rants have gone really old for me, like the person is stuck in 2009 at the golden age of Pitchfork/Vice/Hipster blogs... music elitism/criticism.
- the-dude 5y ago
  Except Ishkur is running his electronic music site since 2000. Which is basically since the beginning of time in internet terms.
  - anthk 5y ago
    That's nothing. Spain, 1999: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9W5LRcVzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9W5LRcVzk This was everywhere. Everywhere. People did their own remixes with computers at home. Everyone and their cat tried to do their first techno/trance song in High School. When "modern EDM" hit the US we have been listening to Techno/Trance since where, from 1992-1993? There were even official Techno/Trance remixes bought by everyone, too.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
      I really wish you'd stop with this smug condescension. You are utterly ignorant of the US music scene during this period, and in general, based on your comments. You seem to be basing your views on top 40 charts and what was protrayed in media. It's true, techno and electronica only rarely appeared there in the 90s. That's because electronica in the US was entirely centered around clubs and raves. Radio was controlled by a handful of big labels that all had a specific intent to shape the market towards specific genres. So techno in the US never became a "factory" product. But that doesn't mean we weren't listening to it. I grew up in Kansas in a smaller city. In high school we were going to jungle or trance parties just as often as grunge. All the big box book and music stores had substantial electronica sections. We discovered music at parties, via word of mouth, and by the latter half of the 90s, via the internet. People have been listening to techno in the US continuously since its inception in Detroit. But we've been listening to a whole lot of other electronica subgrenes as well. The kind of music in your link has never been popular with electronica fans here. We find it manufactured banal empty trash to be blunt. The closest to that style that's been popular here would be Oakenfold and the like. You also misunderstand hip hop in one of your comments. It is not just popular with black Americans. It's been popular with Americans of all sorts since its inception. In fact hip hop essentially subsumed pop in the late 90s. There's been a lot of exchange between hip hop and electronica in the US too, particularly due to both using the 808 a lot. The latest electronica fad, the revival of phonk, is another example. It's a fusion of trap with breakbeat techno. And it's yet another example of how electronica is fundamentally international, as the revival has been driven by russian producers like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbiKaOAN3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbiKaOAN3Q I don't really know what you're trying to accomplish with your smugness, but to be blunt all it's doing is making you look both ignorant and prejudiced.
shermozle 5y ago
He's, uh, not a fan of the Dutch.
- skrebbel 5y ago
  It's absolutely delightful. You just know that when someone knowledgeable disses you with so much care and attention, there's some deep-seated love behind all that hatred. We love you too Ishkur! <3 from Holland
renaudg 5y ago
You forgot to quote the "best" bit a few paragraphs later : >It's important to first explain the horrible template that ruined Trance music. Somehow a musical artform that devoted itself to hypnotic rhythms and spacey soundscapes became, inside of a decade, a mass produced assembly line McProduct for middle class Europeans (pejoratively known as Trancecrackers because they're white. Terribly, tragically, sunblindingly, basic-bitch-ordering-a-pumpkin-spice-latte white) who should have not spent their young adulthood clubbing but rather dying horribly in another continent-engulfing conflict (I mean, come on: Europe is due). You know, one could answer this with an equally salty comeback, like how ironic it is for an American to think he's in a position to lecture white Europeans in any way about electronic music culture or taste : we built, grew and lived this music revolution for 20 years, while white America was still all about stale rehashes of guitar-based genres*, and black America all about hip-hop. To some extent, they still are. Then around 2009**, when we had matured this into something commercial enough to be sold to the US public, we exported the cheesiest, bro-ready fringe of it as "EDM" and sure enough, it caught on like wildfire. Frat boys & sorority girls had "never heard anything like this OMG!" :) But with remarks like the one he makes about war, it's probably sufficient to say that this guy, knowledgeable as he is, sounds like a bit of a bigot and a right d*ck. *This was the era when Eminem had lines like "nobody listens to techno" (and by "techno" he meant Moby, lol), while in Europe the Berlin Love Parade had a million people in the streets each summer. I was dumbfounded in the late 90s at how many different names the id3 tag format had for country music and Christian genres. It was a complete WTF from a European perspective ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3#Genre_list_in_ID3v1[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3#Genre_list_in_ID3v1[12] ** David Guetta-produced "I gotta feeling" for the Black Eyed Peas is widely credited to have launched EDM into the US mainstream. Soon after he & Tiesto had their Vegas residencies, EDC & UMF blew up and the rest is history.
- CPLX 5y ago
  > This was the era when in the US Eminem had lines like "nobody listens to techno", while in Europe Perhaps it will add a little context to note that Eminem, like Techno, is from Detroit.
  - anthk 5y ago

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago

most brilliant thing I've seen this week. I want to see feedback like this as the top comments of every "Show HN" :D

matt_j 5y ago

Salty, but not wrong!

jasondoty 5y ago

The descriptions are salty at every genre that is even somewhat popular. God forbid people actually enjoying the music without being under influence of several drugs

skrebbel 5y ago
You're mixing up "you shouldn't like this" with "I don't like this". The site is basically one very elaborate opinion piece. Ishkur doesn't like Eurotrance. Deal with it.

tarsinge 5y ago

These kind of rants have gone really old for me, like the person is stuck in 2009 at the golden age of Pitchfork/Vice/Hipster blogs... music elitism/criticism.

the-dude 5y ago
Except Ishkur is running his electronic music site since 2000. Which is basically since the beginning of time in internet terms.
- anthk 5y ago
  That's nothing. Spain, 1999: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9W5LRcVzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9W5LRcVzk This was everywhere. Everywhere. People did their own remixes with computers at home. Everyone and their cat tried to do their first techno/trance song in High School. When "modern EDM" hit the US we have been listening to Techno/Trance since where, from 1992-1993? There were even official Techno/Trance remixes bought by everyone, too.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
    I really wish you'd stop with this smug condescension. You are utterly ignorant of the US music scene during this period, and in general, based on your comments. You seem to be basing your views on top 40 charts and what was protrayed in media. It's true, techno and electronica only rarely appeared there in the 90s. That's because electronica in the US was entirely centered around clubs and raves. Radio was controlled by a handful of big labels that all had a specific intent to shape the market towards specific genres. So techno in the US never became a "factory" product. But that doesn't mean we weren't listening to it. I grew up in Kansas in a smaller city. In high school we were going to jungle or trance parties just as often as grunge. All the big box book and music stores had substantial electronica sections. We discovered music at parties, via word of mouth, and by the latter half of the 90s, via the internet. People have been listening to techno in the US continuously since its inception in Detroit. But we've been listening to a whole lot of other electronica subgrenes as well. The kind of music in your link has never been popular with electronica fans here. We find it manufactured banal empty trash to be blunt. The closest to that style that's been popular here would be Oakenfold and the like. You also misunderstand hip hop in one of your comments. It is not just popular with black Americans. It's been popular with Americans of all sorts since its inception. In fact hip hop essentially subsumed pop in the late 90s. There's been a lot of exchange between hip hop and electronica in the US too, particularly due to both using the 808 a lot. The latest electronica fad, the revival of phonk, is another example. It's a fusion of trap with breakbeat techno. And it's yet another example of how electronica is fundamentally international, as the revival has been driven by russian producers like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbiKaOAN3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbiKaOAN3Q I don't really know what you're trying to accomplish with your smugness, but to be blunt all it's doing is making you look both ignorant and prejudiced.

shermozle 5y ago

He's, uh, not a fan of the Dutch.

skrebbel 5y ago
It's absolutely delightful. You just know that when someone knowledgeable disses you with so much care and attention, there's some deep-seated love behind all that hatred. We love you too Ishkur! <3 from Holland

renaudg 5y ago

You forgot to quote the "best" bit a few paragraphs later : >It's important to first explain the horrible template that ruined Trance music. Somehow a musical artform that devoted itself to hypnotic rhythms and spacey soundscapes became, inside of a decade, a mass produced assembly line McProduct for middle class Europeans (pejoratively known as Trancecrackers because they're white. Terribly, tragically, sunblindingly, basic-bitch-ordering-a-pumpkin-spice-latte white) who should have not spent their young adulthood clubbing but rather dying horribly in another continent-engulfing conflict (I mean, come on: Europe is due). You know, one could answer this with an equally salty comeback, like how ironic it is for an American to think he's in a position to lecture white Europeans in any way about electronic music culture or taste : we built, grew and lived this music revolution for 20 years, while white America was still all about stale rehashes of guitar-based genres*, and black America all about hip-hop. To some extent, they still are. Then around 2009**, when we had matured this into something commercial enough to be sold to the US public, we exported the cheesiest, bro-ready fringe of it as "EDM" and sure enough, it caught on like wildfire. Frat boys & sorority girls had "never heard anything like this OMG!" :) But with remarks like the one he makes about war, it's probably sufficient to say that this guy, knowledgeable as he is, sounds like a bit of a bigot and a right d*ck. *This was the era when Eminem had lines like "nobody listens to techno" (and by "techno" he meant Moby, lol), while in Europe the Berlin Love Parade had a million people in the streets each summer. I was dumbfounded in the late 90s at how many different names the id3 tag format had for country music and Christian genres. It was a complete WTF from a European perspective ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3#Genre_list_in_ID3v1[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3#Genre_list_in_ID3v1[12] ** David Guetta-produced "I gotta feeling" for the Black Eyed Peas is widely credited to have launched EDM into the US mainstream. Soon after he & Tiesto had their Vegas residencies, EDC & UMF blew up and the rest is history.

CPLX 5y ago
> This was the era when in the US Eminem had lines like "nobody listens to techno", while in Europe Perhaps it will add a little context to note that Eminem, like Techno, is from Detroit.
- anthk 5y ago