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These days anywhere desireable to live, and likely all known available farm land, is already owned by someone or some company. Vagabonding isn’t what it used t

These days anywhere desireable to live, and likely all known available farm land, is already owned by someone or some company. Vagabonding isn’t what it used to be, insofar as there is seemingly not even the remotest chance in modernity of backdooring your way into zero cost homesteading. Societal advancement has come at the cost of those opportunities which have more or less vanished.

shkkmo 5y ago
The "pioneers" you are jealous of did not homestead unoccupied land...
- atweiden 5y ago
  We’ve never homesteaded truly unoccupied land by some definitions of “unoccupied”. Depending on how far back we want to take the social justice, even Neanderthals drove out earlier pre-humans from their rightful homes, however sporadically inhabited and/or poorly defended they might’ve been. Regardless, I think it’s a horrible critique of the miserably dystopic political climate we’re in today that such plain statements about factual reality can’t even be made without someone feeling it necessary to call attention to a more recent historical example of the powerful driving out the powerless — a dynamic which has been with humans and every other creature on this planet since time immemorial. Nomadism in antiquity had at least some chance of resulting in zero cost homesteading for those brave people willing to endanger their own lives to engage in it. It was more a reflection on the hidden plight of modernity — not being able to afford a home, despite our forefathers being able to just homestead at zero up front cost mere centuries ago — than a projection of jealousy or some other contrivance.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    The comment was not factually correct since it asserted the land was unowned. It also asserted that the homesteading was zero cost. In factual reality, the land was already owned and the homesteading of that land was paid for by genocide. There is a long history of invaders getting stuff for "zero cost", it still happens today in parts of the world more ruled by violence and law. Is this what you are nostalgic for? Edit: Also, homesteading went on up to about 40 years ago.
    - atweiden 5y ago
      What Neanderthals did to Homo Erectus, and what early indigenous Homo Sapien tribes did to Neanderthals; later indigenous tribes did to earlier indigenous tribes; and so on and so forth. At no point was the land homesteaded — by indigenous tribes or otherwise — ever fully unoccupied prior, by some definition of “unoccupied”. Intelligent lifeforms had to be driven from their rightful homes by “invaders”, categorically. Nomads in antiquity — oweing to the lack of societal advancement — could settle air quotes “unoccupied” land. This is no longer possible in the modern, advanced world where every square inch of earth is claimed by a reasonably well-organized group of (highly violent) people, at minimum. Which means nomadism in today’s world isn’t what it once was. Nomadism in antiquity might even be viewed as outright nation building; after all, every nation has to start somewhere. But nomadism in modernity — and I say this as someone with a reasonable level of experience backpacking in various countries — is really just glorified homelessness, and I think that’s a point worth making.
jamiek88 5y ago
I know man, genocide is just so unfashionable nowadays...

shkkmo 5y ago

The "pioneers" you are jealous of did not homestead unoccupied land...

atweiden 5y ago
We’ve never homesteaded truly unoccupied land by some definitions of “unoccupied”. Depending on how far back we want to take the social justice, even Neanderthals drove out earlier pre-humans from their rightful homes, however sporadically inhabited and/or poorly defended they might’ve been. Regardless, I think it’s a horrible critique of the miserably dystopic political climate we’re in today that such plain statements about factual reality can’t even be made without someone feeling it necessary to call attention to a more recent historical example of the powerful driving out the powerless — a dynamic which has been with humans and every other creature on this planet since time immemorial. Nomadism in antiquity had at least some chance of resulting in zero cost homesteading for those brave people willing to endanger their own lives to engage in it. It was more a reflection on the hidden plight of modernity — not being able to afford a home, despite our forefathers being able to just homestead at zero up front cost mere centuries ago — than a projection of jealousy or some other contrivance.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  The comment was not factually correct since it asserted the land was unowned. It also asserted that the homesteading was zero cost. In factual reality, the land was already owned and the homesteading of that land was paid for by genocide. There is a long history of invaders getting stuff for "zero cost", it still happens today in parts of the world more ruled by violence and law. Is this what you are nostalgic for? Edit: Also, homesteading went on up to about 40 years ago.
  - atweiden 5y ago
    What Neanderthals did to Homo Erectus, and what early indigenous Homo Sapien tribes did to Neanderthals; later indigenous tribes did to earlier indigenous tribes; and so on and so forth. At no point was the land homesteaded — by indigenous tribes or otherwise — ever fully unoccupied prior, by some definition of “unoccupied”. Intelligent lifeforms had to be driven from their rightful homes by “invaders”, categorically. Nomads in antiquity — oweing to the lack of societal advancement — could settle air quotes “unoccupied” land. This is no longer possible in the modern, advanced world where every square inch of earth is claimed by a reasonably well-organized group of (highly violent) people, at minimum. Which means nomadism in today’s world isn’t what it once was. Nomadism in antiquity might even be viewed as outright nation building; after all, every nation has to start somewhere. But nomadism in modernity — and I say this as someone with a reasonable level of experience backpacking in various countries — is really just glorified homelessness, and I think that’s a point worth making.

jamiek88 5y ago

I know man, genocide is just so unfashionable nowadays...