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The alternative is expecting companies to make native ports for what would be less than 1% of their userbase - and the handful that have done so haven't done it

The alternative is expecting companies to make native ports for what would be less than 1% of their userbase - and the handful that have done so haven't done it well, and even if they did it well it wouldn't change any outcomes for them. Before Wine actually got good, the few "native" ports we had of major games on Linux were poorly optimised and often worse than just running the Windows versions in Wine. Sometimes you gotta take what you can get. Valve's approach to invest in Wine means I don't need to dual boot any more. Native games are the cherry on top. >the reason why linux isn't gaining shares on steam anymore Did anyone ever think Linux had any kind of comparable gaming ecosystem? lol Valve invests in Linux as a safety net in case Microsoft ever flicks a switch and forces all game distribution through the Windows Store or similar.

Shadonototro 5y ago
> The alternative is expecting companies to make native ports for what would be less than 1% of their userbase - and the handful that have done so haven't done it well, and even if they did it well it wouldn't change any outcomes for them. Valve decided to seek short term gains instead of thinking of a long term strategy by working with linux people to develop a nice ecosystem with libraries / drivers / app distribution They could collaborate with Epic/Unity to facilitate linux builds Valve went selfish and the result is here, linux share isn't growing, despite massive efforts from microsoft to kill themselves with vista, windows 8, and window 10 massive spyware drama and now the updates that break gaming What if windows 11 is again a free upgrade and completely breaks wine? by introducing massive architecture changes That'll be the death of wine and linux gaming, because no thought went into securing a nice and flourish ecosystem
- Zambyte 5y ago
  > Valve decided to seek short term gains instead of thinking of a long term strategy by working with linux people to develop a nice ecosystem with libraries / drivers / app distribution. The part that you suggest they should do "instead" is exactly what they have been doing. As far as I know, every game by Valve is native on Linux, along with their source engine. > They could collaborate with Epic/Unity to facilitate linux builds Both Unreal Engine and Unity can export games for Linux. Both seem to be able to be run on Linux for development as well. What more is needed? > What if windows 11 is again a free upgrade and completely breaks wine? There is literally nothing Microsoft could do to break wine; it isn't their software. If Microsoft breaks backwards compatibility, no existing software for Windows would run on the new version. Linux + WINE would be the best option for running the majority of Windows software with the most recent updates (one could of course still use older versions of Windows instead, but that's a bad idea long term).
  - Shadonototro 5y ago
    You seems to have better ideas how to grow linux ecosystem By looking at steam stats it doesn't seems to work, but i'll trust your judgement since it seems to.. not work at all.. but that might be the goal, to waste time, effort, money, and they gotta justify the 30% tax somehow, hey we are working on things nobody care about!

Shadonototro 5y ago

> The alternative is expecting companies to make native ports for what would be less than 1% of their userbase - and the handful that have done so haven't done it well, and even if they did it well it wouldn't change any outcomes for them. Valve decided to seek short term gains instead of thinking of a long term strategy by working with linux people to develop a nice ecosystem with libraries / drivers / app distribution They could collaborate with Epic/Unity to facilitate linux builds Valve went selfish and the result is here, linux share isn't growing, despite massive efforts from microsoft to kill themselves with vista, windows 8, and window 10 massive spyware drama and now the updates that break gaming What if windows 11 is again a free upgrade and completely breaks wine? by introducing massive architecture changes That'll be the death of wine and linux gaming, because no thought went into securing a nice and flourish ecosystem

Zambyte 5y ago
> Valve decided to seek short term gains instead of thinking of a long term strategy by working with linux people to develop a nice ecosystem with libraries / drivers / app distribution. The part that you suggest they should do "instead" is exactly what they have been doing. As far as I know, every game by Valve is native on Linux, along with their source engine. > They could collaborate with Epic/Unity to facilitate linux builds Both Unreal Engine and Unity can export games for Linux. Both seem to be able to be run on Linux for development as well. What more is needed? > What if windows 11 is again a free upgrade and completely breaks wine? There is literally nothing Microsoft could do to break wine; it isn't their software. If Microsoft breaks backwards compatibility, no existing software for Windows would run on the new version. Linux + WINE would be the best option for running the majority of Windows software with the most recent updates (one could of course still use older versions of Windows instead, but that's a bad idea long term).
- Shadonototro 5y ago
  You seems to have better ideas how to grow linux ecosystem By looking at steam stats it doesn't seems to work, but i'll trust your judgement since it seems to.. not work at all.. but that might be the goal, to waste time, effort, money, and they gotta justify the 30% tax somehow, hey we are working on things nobody care about!