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This is a pitch perfect example of polarization: the previous poster said "there’s too much virtue signaling at work", and now you're strongly implying that any

This is a pitch perfect example of polarization: the previous poster said "there’s too much virtue signaling at work", and now you're strongly implying that anybody who feels this way is a "racist".

Covzire 5y ago
It's all the news shows anymore. They could cover many other things, maybe throw in a few positive stories, but cable news and largely the whole industry is just one growing dark cloud.
- Loughla 5y ago
  Local news (small town of <35k population) in the midwest regularly covers bus crashes and other negative news from other states. States that are like 14-20 hours away. How does that matter to me? It sucks, and it's a tragedy, but it has literally zero impact on my life. But it sure makes good news for people to worry about.
  - nickik 5y ago
    This is why I avoid news media pretty much completely. If you study everything a few years removed you actually get a much better picture. The problem with news media is that people have no context what so ever and often no sense of connection. Afghanistan in 2001 fell from the clear blue sky from a non existing place to being a place that can teleport people to New York. Despite it having been in the news somewhat in the 80s. Even the people who remembered the 80s had no context of what happened in between then because nobody cared basically. A modern example is the Syrian Civil war, if you only follow the day by the news even if you do it everyday, you actually would have very little understanding what so ever. Many of the actual facts only get relieved much later.
evgen 5y ago
The response may have to do with the phrase 'virtue signaling', which is one commonly used by fragile white boys to indicate that someone who objects to certain behavior or will no longer tolerate a certain activity is only doing so because they are seeking approval for this public demonstration and that the belief is not sincerely held. The other alternative is that the person objecting actually believes the behavior is wrong and has no place in the workplace and is willing to take a risk by objecting. Politics has entered the workplace in the past when the former majority had to deal with women joining the workforce and suddenly certain jokes, conversation subjects, and office behavior was forced to change. It was not a smooth transition without controversy and even legal conflict. The paper in question here starts with the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. We are in the midst of another transition, it is going to get messy, and the 'virtue signalers' are almost certainly going to win.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago
  > the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Or when has a political fashion ever turned out to be sorely wrong, and new viewpoints were needed? Wait, I remember a few times - but I’m sure that this time is going to be different. Also, “fragile white boys”? This kind of ad hominem makes you sound like a raging ideologue.
  - evgen 5y ago
    > Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Sometimes discussion serves no value. I will not bother to discuss racial theories with a member of the Proud Boys or KKK because the discussion is a waste of time. No one has made any claim regarding legality here, so you are free to question any viewpoint and should be prepared to face the consequences in exactly the same manner that the people you are objecting to once faced consequences for questioning your conventional viewpoint. This sort of a discussion and questioning of viewpoints is exactly what is happening here, but one side is losing an argument that they assumed was not up for debate so they try to work the refs. Doesn't matter, but it is fun to watch. > Also, “fragile white boys”? I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' without trying to be ironic, so if the shoe fits...
    - Clewza313 5y ago
      Do you not see the irony in labeling people who politely disagree with you "members of the KKK"? Or are you just trolling?
      - evgen 5y ago
        All who politely disagree are not members of the KKK, but those who are should be ignored. The range of casual racism and misogyny that can safely be dismissed and ignored has increased. This seems to be the source of most of this conflict, but it is unlikely to change in the future.

Covzire 5y ago

It's all the news shows anymore. They could cover many other things, maybe throw in a few positive stories, but cable news and largely the whole industry is just one growing dark cloud.

Loughla 5y ago
Local news (small town of <35k population) in the midwest regularly covers bus crashes and other negative news from other states. States that are like 14-20 hours away. How does that matter to me? It sucks, and it's a tragedy, but it has literally zero impact on my life. But it sure makes good news for people to worry about.
- nickik 5y ago
  This is why I avoid news media pretty much completely. If you study everything a few years removed you actually get a much better picture. The problem with news media is that people have no context what so ever and often no sense of connection. Afghanistan in 2001 fell from the clear blue sky from a non existing place to being a place that can teleport people to New York. Despite it having been in the news somewhat in the 80s. Even the people who remembered the 80s had no context of what happened in between then because nobody cared basically. A modern example is the Syrian Civil war, if you only follow the day by the news even if you do it everyday, you actually would have very little understanding what so ever. Many of the actual facts only get relieved much later.

evgen 5y ago

The response may have to do with the phrase 'virtue signaling', which is one commonly used by fragile white boys to indicate that someone who objects to certain behavior or will no longer tolerate a certain activity is only doing so because they are seeking approval for this public demonstration and that the belief is not sincerely held. The other alternative is that the person objecting actually believes the behavior is wrong and has no place in the workplace and is willing to take a risk by objecting. Politics has entered the workplace in the past when the former majority had to deal with women joining the workforce and suddenly certain jokes, conversation subjects, and office behavior was forced to change. It was not a smooth transition without controversy and even legal conflict. The paper in question here starts with the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. We are in the midst of another transition, it is going to get messy, and the 'virtue signalers' are almost certainly going to win.

read_if_gay_ 5y ago
> the assumption that 'viewpoint diversity' is either valuable or worth cultivating on all subjects, this is not true. Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Or when has a political fashion ever turned out to be sorely wrong, and new viewpoints were needed? Wait, I remember a few times - but I’m sure that this time is going to be different. Also, “fragile white boys”? This kind of ad hominem makes you sound like a raging ideologue.
- evgen 5y ago
  > Ah yes. It shouldn’t even be legal for people to question your viewpoint. Because when has discussion ever been a valuable thing? Sometimes discussion serves no value. I will not bother to discuss racial theories with a member of the Proud Boys or KKK because the discussion is a waste of time. No one has made any claim regarding legality here, so you are free to question any viewpoint and should be prepared to face the consequences in exactly the same manner that the people you are objecting to once faced consequences for questioning your conventional viewpoint. This sort of a discussion and questioning of viewpoints is exactly what is happening here, but one side is losing an argument that they assumed was not up for debate so they try to work the refs. Doesn't matter, but it is fun to watch. > Also, “fragile white boys”? I have never seen _anyone_ other than a frightened white male use the term 'virtue signalling' without trying to be ironic, so if the shoe fits...
  - Clewza313 5y ago
    Do you not see the irony in labeling people who politely disagree with you "members of the KKK"? Or are you just trolling?
    - evgen 5y ago
      All who politely disagree are not members of the KKK, but those who are should be ignored. The range of casual racism and misogyny that can safely be dismissed and ignored has increased. This seems to be the source of most of this conflict, but it is unlikely to change in the future.