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Feminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality. All careers and professions need to be at least 50% women o

Feminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality. All careers and professions need to be at least 50% women otherwise that is definitional proof of sexism. The sex-gap in tech is not any more important than the even bigger sex-gap in septic system maintenance, which is why it would actually make more sense to call all such access shafts "womanholes" to actively encourage women to become sewage system workers. Men don't need patriarchal notions dispelled from them to feel comfortable taking dirty jobs; Women do.

tyingq 5y ago
"Feminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality." I didn't imply otherwise. You're reading a lot into my comment that isn't there. I was saying that a cover for a sewer probably isn't a high priority language thing to clean up. Where things like mailman, chairman, etc, were. Manhole isn't a job or position. I would guess "utility hole" would be a likely change you could make.
- etrabroline 5y ago
  Sorry, I'm not responding to anything specific you said. I'm just adding my thoughts. Many women are attracted to certain careers like technology because of the prestige attributed to them by the media. Being a 'hacker' is very trendy. What these women don't understand is that having lots of women in the trenches fighting Arabs and in the trenches repairing our municipal sewage systems is just as important for equality as having women being paid well to sit at a desk and program computers. I hope that didn't makes no sense.
HDMI_Cable 5y ago
I don’t want to sound sexist in this case, but shouldn’t some jobs have a non-50-50 skew, simply because of one sex being more fit for it? Like for example, the army might be more skewed towards men because of their larger body sizes, while the medical field might be more women because of their better inter-personal skills, and higher studiousness.
- littleninja 5y ago
  And yet this is exactly sexism. Even if men statistically have larger bodies, can you correlate that to military success? Are you ignoring qualities like grit, confidence, strength, courage, strategy, and leadership which are not “male qualities”? And interpersonal skills and communication: I’d argue these are not “female qualities”. Does your comment factor a possibility that external pressures around gender norms might create a cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often?
  - etrabroline 5y ago
    >cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often That's a good one. Lets see the patriarchy try and disprove that!
snovv_crash 5y ago
While laudable, what happens when people don't want to fit to your quotas because they'd rather do something else? Do you then enforce this by decree? How does that benefit anything beyond an ideology?
- etrabroline 5y ago
  That would be a great question to ask a feminist.

tyingq 5y ago

"Feminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality." I didn't imply otherwise. You're reading a lot into my comment that isn't there. I was saying that a cover for a sewer probably isn't a high priority language thing to clean up. Where things like mailman, chairman, etc, were. Manhole isn't a job or position. I would guess "utility hole" would be a likely change you could make.

etrabroline 5y ago
Sorry, I'm not responding to anything specific you said. I'm just adding my thoughts. Many women are attracted to certain careers like technology because of the prestige attributed to them by the media. Being a 'hacker' is very trendy. What these women don't understand is that having lots of women in the trenches fighting Arabs and in the trenches repairing our municipal sewage systems is just as important for equality as having women being paid well to sit at a desk and program computers. I hope that didn't makes no sense.

HDMI_Cable 5y ago

I don’t want to sound sexist in this case, but shouldn’t some jobs have a non-50-50 skew, simply because of one sex being more fit for it? Like for example, the army might be more skewed towards men because of their larger body sizes, while the medical field might be more women because of their better inter-personal skills, and higher studiousness.

littleninja 5y ago
And yet this is exactly sexism. Even if men statistically have larger bodies, can you correlate that to military success? Are you ignoring qualities like grit, confidence, strength, courage, strategy, and leadership which are not “male qualities”? And interpersonal skills and communication: I’d argue these are not “female qualities”. Does your comment factor a possibility that external pressures around gender norms might create a cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often?
- etrabroline 5y ago
  >cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often That's a good one. Lets see the patriarchy try and disprove that!

snovv_crash 5y ago

While laudable, what happens when people don't want to fit to your quotas because they'd rather do something else? Do you then enforce this by decree? How does that benefit anything beyond an ideology?

etrabroline 5y ago
That would be a great question to ask a feminist.