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Yeah it's pretty baffling. Is there any designer even close to Ive? Is there any company making computers or phones that are even close in terms of aesthetic? I

Yeah it's pretty baffling. Is there any designer even close to Ive? Is there any company making computers or phones that are even close in terms of aesthetic? I know that wishy-washy ideals like beauty, elegance and feel aren't that appealing to a lot of HN users but Ive's emphasis on them is a significant part of Apple's success

Spooky23 6y ago
I don’t think critique of Ive is bashing. Design isn’t engineering, sometimes you hit an artistic wall or do it too long. IMO the guy got bored and focused on building the museum-like HQ building and took eyes off the ball of actual products, while maintaining total control. Even for an elite, top of his field individual, you need to focus to win. In terms of laptops, HP built some very nice high end business laptops that were more like evolutions of the 2014 MacBook Pro than the garbage Apple pumped out and wasted many millions of dollars on for warranty claims.
- sbuk 6y ago
  Design is “engineering”. Engineers design, by definition[0]. Design, contrary to popular belief is about solving problems. Industrial design in particular focuses on how things work, not just the aesthetics of an object. [0] from the OED: a) To make drawings for the construction or creation of (something, as a building, object, garment, etc.) according to certain aesthetic criteria; (b) to make plans for the production of (a device, product, etc.) according to structural or functional criteria (sometimes without the implication of aesthetic requirements); (c) (in extended use) to conceive, devise, plan (something immaterial, as a scheme, system, programme, etc.).
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    Like anything, you balance the the aesthetic with the function. When function follows form to the point where you ship say a laptop with an unserviceable keyboard that is rendered inoperable by a speck of dust, or make a smartphone surface friction similar to a stick of butter, you got a problem.

Spooky23 6y ago

I don’t think critique of Ive is bashing. Design isn’t engineering, sometimes you hit an artistic wall or do it too long. IMO the guy got bored and focused on building the museum-like HQ building and took eyes off the ball of actual products, while maintaining total control. Even for an elite, top of his field individual, you need to focus to win. In terms of laptops, HP built some very nice high end business laptops that were more like evolutions of the 2014 MacBook Pro than the garbage Apple pumped out and wasted many millions of dollars on for warranty claims.

sbuk 6y ago
Design is “engineering”. Engineers design, by definition[0]. Design, contrary to popular belief is about solving problems. Industrial design in particular focuses on how things work, not just the aesthetics of an object. [0] from the OED: a) To make drawings for the construction or creation of (something, as a building, object, garment, etc.) according to certain aesthetic criteria; (b) to make plans for the production of (a device, product, etc.) according to structural or functional criteria (sometimes without the implication of aesthetic requirements); (c) (in extended use) to conceive, devise, plan (something immaterial, as a scheme, system, programme, etc.).
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Like anything, you balance the the aesthetic with the function. When function follows form to the point where you ship say a laptop with an unserviceable keyboard that is rendered inoperable by a speck of dust, or make a smartphone surface friction similar to a stick of butter, you got a problem.