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Everytime I see manhole in the written word George Carlin the comedian/philosopher comes to mind. He famously said they will call it “personhole” cover.
by 1cvmask 6y ago
Everytime I see manhole in the written word George Carlin the comedian/philosopher comes to mind. He famously said they will call it “personhole” cover.
- mygoodaccount 6y agoAnd what would be the problem with that?
- tyingq 6y agoManhole would be one of those cases where "man" doesn't really imply anything positive that somebody else is missing out on.
- etrabroline 6y agoFeminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality. All careers and professions need to be at least 50% women otherwise that is definitional proof of sexism. The sex-gap in tech is not any more important than the even bigger sex-gap in septic system maintenance, which is why it would actually make more sense to call all such access shafts "womanholes" to actively encourage women to become sewage system workers. Men don't need patriarchal notions dispelled from them to feel comfortable taking dirty jobs; Women do.
- tyingq 6y ago"Feminism is not just about giving undeserving women an advantage for no reason, it's about equality." I didn't imply otherwise. You're reading a lot into my comment that isn't there. I was saying that a cover for a sewer probably isn't a high priority language thing to clean up. Where things like mailman, chairman, etc, were. Manhole isn't a job or position. I would guess "utility hole" would be a likely change you could make.
- etrabroline 6y agoSorry, I'm not responding to anything specific you said. I'm just adding my thoughts. Many women are attracted to certain careers like technology because of the prestige attributed to them by the media. Being a 'hacker' is very trendy. What these women don't understand is that having lots of women in the trenches fighting Arabs and in the trenches repairing our municipal sewage systems is just as important for equality as having women being paid well to sit at a desk and program computers. I hope that didn't makes no sense.
- HDMI_Cable 6y agoI don’t want to sound sexist in this case, but shouldn’t some jobs have a non-50-50 skew, simply because of one sex being more fit for it? Like for example, the army might be more skewed towards men because of their larger body sizes, while the medical field might be more women because of their better inter-personal skills, and higher studiousness.
- littleninja 6y agoAnd yet this is exactly sexism. Even if men statistically have larger bodies, can you correlate that to military success? Are you ignoring qualities like grit, confidence, strength, courage, strategy, and leadership which are not “male qualities”? And interpersonal skills and communication: I’d argue these are not “female qualities”. Does your comment factor a possibility that external pressures around gender norms might create a cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often?
- etrabroline 6y ago>cycle where women put more effort into these skills, thus demonstrating them more often That's a good one. Lets see the patriarchy try and disprove that!
- snovv_crash 6y agoWhile laudable, what happens when people don't want to fit to your quotas because they'd rather do something else? Do you then enforce this by decree? How does that benefit anything beyond an ideology?
- etrabroline 6y agoThat would be a great question to ask a feminist.
- DDR0 6y agoConversely, what problem would it solve?
- umanwizard 6y agoWell nowadays, due to the evolution of language, “man” is no longer the generic term for “person” as it once was, so it’d be more accurate in cases where women also use the holes.
- recuter 6y agoMaybe we can just call it a hole.
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