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They aren't proof, but they might be enough (I am not a lawyer) for a search warrant for email addresses, person's homes, and phone/ISP records of the people na

They aren't proof, but they might be enough (I am not a lawyer) for a search warrant for email addresses, person's homes, and phone/ISP records of the people named in the "d0x."

sliverstorm 15y ago
Most importantly, if a random group posting to pastebin can find them, the FBI has got to be able to, too.
- thadeus_venture 15y ago
  That's a question I would really like to know the answer to. I'm not so sure that's the case.
- m0nastic 15y ago
  To be fair, a random group posting to patebin isn't limited by things like "probable cause" "search warrants" and "lawful behavior". They admit in the document to "backhacking" the targets, which already puts them at an advantage against law enforcement. edit: s/probably/probable (it's late)
  - trotsky 15y ago
    LEO can and does get warrants to do intrusions for identification purposes https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Computer_and_Internet_Protocol_Address_Verifier https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Computer_and_...
  - wisty 15y ago
    They also have a high standard of evidence, before they can go to trial. Otherwise, they are better just observing, and waiting for more evidence to reveal itself. Once you shoot your mouth off, the suspect stops making mistakes.
- peterwwillis 15y ago
  The FBI is not good at finding [good] computer hackers. They have to outsource or bring somebody in who actually knows what the hell they're doing. And those people are not necessarily very good at it.
fleitz 15y ago
Totally agree with you there, it's all going to depend on what's found in the houses. If they find evidence in the houses it's all going down. A friend of mine a long time ago back in the 90s beat one of these things because they didn't have a warrant. Cops came to his parents place while he was out. Parent's let them in, they found a bunch of telco manuals, seized the computers, everything in the room was inadmissible because he was renting the room from his parents. He was a lucky guy. He also stopped bitching that his parents made him start paying rent.
- StavrosK 15y ago
  Why did that make the evidence inadmissible? Was it because it wasn't their room any more, and therefore the FBI didn't have a right to be there?
  - starwed 15y ago
    I feel that's pretty self evident in context. Your landlord doesn't have the right to let the cops in to search your place.
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Zadoc 15y ago
Law enforcement doesn't need warrants for that. The companies will hand them over willingly.

They aren't proof, but they might be enough (I am not a lawyer) for a search warrant for email addresses, person's homes, and phone/ISP records of the people named in the "d0x."

sliverstorm 15y ago

Most importantly, if a random group posting to pastebin can find them, the FBI has got to be able to, too.

thadeus_venture 15y ago
That's a question I would really like to know the answer to. I'm not so sure that's the case.
m0nastic 15y ago
To be fair, a random group posting to patebin isn't limited by things like "probable cause" "search warrants" and "lawful behavior". They admit in the document to "backhacking" the targets, which already puts them at an advantage against law enforcement. edit: s/probably/probable (it's late)
- trotsky 15y ago
  LEO can and does get warrants to do intrusions for identification purposes https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Computer_and_Internet_Protocol_Address_Verifier https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Computer_and_...
- wisty 15y ago
  They also have a high standard of evidence, before they can go to trial. Otherwise, they are better just observing, and waiting for more evidence to reveal itself. Once you shoot your mouth off, the suspect stops making mistakes.
peterwwillis 15y ago
The FBI is not good at finding [good] computer hackers. They have to outsource or bring somebody in who actually knows what the hell they're doing. And those people are not necessarily very good at it.

fleitz 15y ago

Totally agree with you there, it's all going to depend on what's found in the houses. If they find evidence in the houses it's all going down. A friend of mine a long time ago back in the 90s beat one of these things because they didn't have a warrant. Cops came to his parents place while he was out. Parent's let them in, they found a bunch of telco manuals, seized the computers, everything in the room was inadmissible because he was renting the room from his parents. He was a lucky guy. He also stopped bitching that his parents made him start paying rent.

StavrosK 15y ago
Why did that make the evidence inadmissible? Was it because it wasn't their room any more, and therefore the FBI didn't have a right to be there?
- starwed 15y ago
  I feel that's pretty self evident in context. Your landlord doesn't have the right to let the cops in to search your place.
- deleted 15y ago
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Zadoc 15y ago

Law enforcement doesn't need warrants for that. The companies will hand them over willingly.