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We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

by throwaway292893 5y ago

Fellshard 5y ago
I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
  - Fellshard 5y ago
    Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
    - jjoonathan 5y ago
      Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.
      - octopoc 5y ago
        FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger. This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad response to COVID regarding nursing homes.
        jjoonathan 5y ago
        > Sounds like this one got suppressed With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with. With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact. > This is whataboutism. If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        Most of the media was actively praising Cuomo at a time when roughly half of US casualties were in NY. I can’t speak to your media diet in particular, but it’s not like CNN had their Cuomo criticism on page 2 and their Trump criticism on the front page—their Trump criticism and Cuomo praise were both on the metaphorical front page.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        What’s the implication here? Anyone with a pulse on moderate or conservative media must be a rabid Trump supporter? What do we gain from this kind of dichotomous thinking?
- danans 5y ago
  > Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, right, or center.
  - commandlinefan 5y ago
    I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.
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      - danans 5y ago
        > Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.
        throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.
brown9-2 5y ago
It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  Correct, updated. Main point still stands.

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

Fellshard 5y ago

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

throwaway292893 5y ago
The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
- Fellshard 5y ago
  Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
  - jjoonathan 5y ago
    Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.
    - octopoc 5y ago
      FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger. This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad response to COVID regarding nursing homes.
      - jjoonathan 5y ago
        > Sounds like this one got suppressed With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with. With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact. > This is whataboutism. If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        Most of the media was actively praising Cuomo at a time when roughly half of US casualties were in NY. I can’t speak to your media diet in particular, but it’s not like CNN had their Cuomo criticism on page 2 and their Trump criticism on the front page—their Trump criticism and Cuomo praise were both on the metaphorical front page.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      What’s the implication here? Anyone with a pulse on moderate or conservative media must be a rabid Trump supporter? What do we gain from this kind of dichotomous thinking?
danans 5y ago
> Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, right, or center.
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - danans 5y ago
      > Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.
      - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.

brown9-2 5y ago

It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.

throwaway292893 5y ago
Correct, updated. Main point still stands.