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COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including c

COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

encryptluks2 6y ago
I guess in America there is a lot of the same with some groups of people believing they can pray the virus away or that it simply doesn't exist and is part of some satanic cults agenda.
- lindy2021 6y ago
  Or those that won't trust the science and insist on masks and distancing even after vaccination.
- bobthechef 6y ago
  Seems like a very caricaturish characterization of what people actually believe. That sort of broad contempt and unwillingness to understand the range of perspectives on the issues besides the "official" (read: oligarchic) narrative is unfortunate.
  - crooked-v 6y ago
    No, people actually do believe that - even people who are literally being treated for COVID-19 at the time they make those claims. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/a-wave-of-covid-patients-who-dont-believe-its-real https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/a-wave-of-covid-pati... > He mentions hating “fake news”. He says, “I don’t think covids is really more than a flu.“ I clarified, “Now you think differently though?” > He replies, “No the same. I should just take vitamins for my immune system. They (news) are making it a big deal.” > I’m at a loss for words. Here I am basically wrapped in tarp, here he is in a Covid ICU. How can you deny the validity of covid? How is this possible?
    - moduspol 6y ago
      Some people believe flat earth theories. It's still unreasonable to paint that as a widely held belief of those who disagree with you.
      - CamperBob2 6y ago
        Fact is, the theories are widely held. And in a democracy, that goes a long way.
        moduspol 6y ago
        What theories? And how widely? Huge groups of people are being generalized as equivalent to people who genuinely believe COVID-19 isn't real. It makes reasoned discourse impossible. Though I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag here.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        Essentially half of the surveyed Republican voters say they'll refuse the vaccine: https://www.wpr.org/gop-men-are-most-likely-say-theyll-refuse-covid-19-vaccine https://www.wpr.org/gop-men-are-most-likely-say-theyll-refus... That's enough to elect a President and change the direction of the entire Federal government. The time when these people could be ignored, laughed at, or otherwise dismissed is unfortunately over.
        moduspol 6y ago
        Refusing the vaccine is not the same as believing COVID-19 doesn’t exist. You are proving my point.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        From the point of view of the rest of society, there is no difference at all. The coronavirus doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it only cares if you're vaccinated.
  - hn8788 6y ago
    Some people definitely believe stuff like that, and it's not even only uneducated people. My mother-in-law went to the doctor for an annual checkup, and the doctor told her that it's pointless to get the vaccine because covid is man-made, and whoever created it will just release a new variant that is immune to the vaccine. Luckily my wife convinced her otherwise.
    - johnchristopher 6y ago
      But which country are you living in ?
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bobthechef 6y ago
What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm not an extremist about it". What does that mean?? That you only sort of believe that they fall to the ground? That you only sometimes avoid jumping off of bridges? If they're somewhat true, then they need refinement and correction because they contain error. If they're false, then it would be an error to follow them in any way. So really, if what's being done is evil or wrong, it should maybe be called religious error, or just error.
- SirYandi 6y ago
  I think it has something to do with one's tolerance of other people's version of truth.
  - eloff 6y ago
    There are no versions of truth. Those are called opinions if there can be more than one.
    - rxhernandez 6y ago
      There are very much different versions of the truth; even at a fundamental level. Do you know what a reference frame in Physics is?
      - akiselev 6y ago
        What you are alluding to are different observations of the truth. The concept of reference frames depends on the universality of the laws of physics, which by definition means that there can only be one version of the truth. By the time your reference frame catches up to another, the observations converge.
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known 6y ago
What else can we expect when 50% Ministers in Modi Cabinet are Brahmin who are less than 5% in India https://archive.ph/h3TBP https://archive.ph/h3TBP

encryptluks2 6y ago

I guess in America there is a lot of the same with some groups of people believing they can pray the virus away or that it simply doesn't exist and is part of some satanic cults agenda.

lindy2021 6y ago
Or those that won't trust the science and insist on masks and distancing even after vaccination.
bobthechef 6y ago
Seems like a very caricaturish characterization of what people actually believe. That sort of broad contempt and unwillingness to understand the range of perspectives on the issues besides the "official" (read: oligarchic) narrative is unfortunate.
- crooked-v 6y ago
  No, people actually do believe that - even people who are literally being treated for COVID-19 at the time they make those claims. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/a-wave-of-covid-patients-who-dont-believe-its-real https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/a-wave-of-covid-pati... > He mentions hating “fake news”. He says, “I don’t think covids is really more than a flu.“ I clarified, “Now you think differently though?” > He replies, “No the same. I should just take vitamins for my immune system. They (news) are making it a big deal.” > I’m at a loss for words. Here I am basically wrapped in tarp, here he is in a Covid ICU. How can you deny the validity of covid? How is this possible?
  - moduspol 6y ago
    Some people believe flat earth theories. It's still unreasonable to paint that as a widely held belief of those who disagree with you.
    - CamperBob2 6y ago
      Fact is, the theories are widely held. And in a democracy, that goes a long way.
      - moduspol 6y ago
        What theories? And how widely? Huge groups of people are being generalized as equivalent to people who genuinely believe COVID-19 isn't real. It makes reasoned discourse impossible. Though I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag here.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        Essentially half of the surveyed Republican voters say they'll refuse the vaccine: https://www.wpr.org/gop-men-are-most-likely-say-theyll-refuse-covid-19-vaccine https://www.wpr.org/gop-men-are-most-likely-say-theyll-refus... That's enough to elect a President and change the direction of the entire Federal government. The time when these people could be ignored, laughed at, or otherwise dismissed is unfortunately over.
        moduspol 6y ago
        Refusing the vaccine is not the same as believing COVID-19 doesn’t exist. You are proving my point.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        From the point of view of the rest of society, there is no difference at all. The coronavirus doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it only cares if you're vaccinated.
- hn8788 6y ago
  Some people definitely believe stuff like that, and it's not even only uneducated people. My mother-in-law went to the doctor for an annual checkup, and the doctor told her that it's pointless to get the vaccine because covid is man-made, and whoever created it will just release a new variant that is immune to the vaccine. Luckily my wife convinced her otherwise.
  - johnchristopher 6y ago
    But which country are you living in ?
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bobthechef 6y ago

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm not an extremist about it". What does that mean?? That you only sort of believe that they fall to the ground? That you only sometimes avoid jumping off of bridges? If they're somewhat true, then they need refinement and correction because they contain error. If they're false, then it would be an error to follow them in any way. So really, if what's being done is evil or wrong, it should maybe be called religious error, or just error.

SirYandi 6y ago
I think it has something to do with one's tolerance of other people's version of truth.
- eloff 6y ago
  There are no versions of truth. Those are called opinions if there can be more than one.
  - rxhernandez 6y ago
    There are very much different versions of the truth; even at a fundamental level. Do you know what a reference frame in Physics is?
    - akiselev 6y ago
      What you are alluding to are different observations of the truth. The concept of reference frames depends on the universality of the laws of physics, which by definition means that there can only be one version of the truth. By the time your reference frame catches up to another, the observations converge.

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known 6y ago

What else can we expect when 50% Ministers in Modi Cabinet are Brahmin who are less than 5% in India https://archive.ph/h3TBP https://archive.ph/h3TBP