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At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow i

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

throwaway292893 5y ago
We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.
- Fellshard 5y ago
  I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
  - throwaway292893 5y ago
    The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
    - Fellshard 5y ago
      Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
      - jjoonathan 5y ago
        Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.
        octopoc 5y ago
        FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger. This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad response to COVID regarding nursing homes.
        jjoonathan 5y ago
        > Sounds like this one got suppressed With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with. With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact. > This is whataboutism. If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        Most of the media was actively praising Cuomo at a time when roughly half of US casualties were in NY. I can’t speak to your media diet in particular, but it’s not like CNN had their Cuomo criticism on page 2 and their Trump criticism on the front page—their Trump criticism and Cuomo praise were both on the metaphorical front page.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        What’s the implication here? Anyone with a pulse on moderate or conservative media must be a rabid Trump supporter? What do we gain from this kind of dichotomous thinking?
  - danans 5y ago
    > Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, right, or center.
    - commandlinefan 5y ago
      I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.
      - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.
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        danans 5y ago
        > Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.
        throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.
- brown9-2 5y ago
  It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.
  - throwaway292893 5y ago
    Correct, updated. Main point still stands.
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hpcjoe 5y ago
When people scoff at the source, like when people sniff "but that's on faux news", the report is unlikely to be accepted at face value. This is a major problem, in that real information surfaces on both "political sides" (they aren't really both sides, but that's a discussion for another day) and people discount items that conflict with the particular narrative they believe in. You can see that here. In the downvotes.
mmcgaha 5y ago
NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame. I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/blame-game-cuomo-takes-heat-over-ny-nursing-home-study https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.
    - hpcjoe 5y ago
      Thinking back to who recommended people ignore the presidents concerns[2] at the time and go mingle in public[1]. I know it doesn't jive with the narrative. Neither of these two could be even remotely construed to be "right wing". [1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-sa... [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801686524/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/8016865...
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cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
Yes, I heard about it in the first quarter of last year. I heard about it on news sites on the web. I found it credible. This whole reportage stinks of "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia" to me at the moment.
MattGaiser 5y ago
I saw it on Politifact in May/June I believe as he initially blamed the Trump administration and that was found to be false.
qqqwerty 5y ago
Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida? [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-deaths https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-dea...
- zwily 5y ago
  Not so sure about that... https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984?s=21 https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984...
  - qqqwerty 5y ago
    That is a surprisingly bad take from Nate Silver, who I am usually a fan of. The fact that Florida has less excess death than the national average does not preclude systematic undercounting. One can both have lower actual deaths than average and also undercount those deaths. And the article that I linked to quoted a study that used excess death numbers and compared those to the official counts. That is by far the best method to estimate an undercount.
Mathnerd314 5y ago
Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Andrew_Cuomo%27s_response_to_nursing_homes_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio..., it only became a notable scandal mid-February. As far as information consumption goes, though, I think if anything I've consumed too much. I don't live in NY and the stuff happening there has no relevance to me.

throwaway292893 5y ago

We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.

Fellshard 5y ago
I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out about it.
  - Fellshard 5y ago
    Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.
    - jjoonathan 5y ago
      Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.
      - octopoc 5y ago
        FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger. This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad response to COVID regarding nursing homes.
        jjoonathan 5y ago
        > Sounds like this one got suppressed With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with. With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact. > This is whataboutism. If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        Most of the media was actively praising Cuomo at a time when roughly half of US casualties were in NY. I can’t speak to your media diet in particular, but it’s not like CNN had their Cuomo criticism on page 2 and their Trump criticism on the front page—their Trump criticism and Cuomo praise were both on the metaphorical front page.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        What’s the implication here? Anyone with a pulse on moderate or conservative media must be a rabid Trump supporter? What do we gain from this kind of dichotomous thinking?
- danans 5y ago
  > Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, right, or center.
  - commandlinefan 5y ago
    I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.
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      - danans 5y ago
        > Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.
        throwaway0a5e 5y ago
        True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.
brown9-2 5y ago
It’s not “Cuomo’s AG”, in NY the attorney general is elected by voters.
- throwaway292893 5y ago
  Correct, updated. Main point still stands.

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hpcjoe 5y ago

When people scoff at the source, like when people sniff "but that's on faux news", the report is unlikely to be accepted at face value. This is a major problem, in that real information surfaces on both "political sides" (they aren't really both sides, but that's a discussion for another day) and people discount items that conflict with the particular narrative they believe in. You can see that here. In the downvotes.

mmcgaha 5y ago

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet. Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage. What credible source was talking about this before January?

chitowneats 5y ago
Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo administration trying to deflect blame. I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I googled and found this US News & World Report story about it from July 14, 2020: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/blame-game-cuomo-takes-heat-over-ny-nursing-home-study https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/...
- belltaco 5y ago
  Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.
  - hpcjoe 5y ago
    Thinking back to who recommended people ignore the presidents concerns[2] at the time and go mingle in public[1]. I know it doesn't jive with the narrative. Neither of these two could be even remotely construed to be "right wing". [1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-sa... [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/801686524/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/31/8016865...
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cheaprentalyeti 5y ago

Yes, I heard about it in the first quarter of last year. I heard about it on news sites on the web. I found it credible. This whole reportage stinks of "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia" to me at the moment.

MattGaiser 5y ago

I saw it on Politifact in May/June I believe as he initially blamed the Trump administration and that was found to be false.

qqqwerty 5y ago

Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida? [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-deaths https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-dea...

zwily 5y ago
Not so sure about that... https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984?s=21 https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984...
- qqqwerty 5y ago
  That is a surprisingly bad take from Nate Silver, who I am usually a fan of. The fact that Florida has less excess death than the national average does not preclude systematic undercounting. One can both have lower actual deaths than average and also undercount those deaths. And the article that I linked to quoted a study that used excess death numbers and compared those to the official counts. That is by far the best method to estimate an undercount.

Mathnerd314 5y ago

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Andrew_Cuomo%27s_response_to_nursing_homes_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio..., it only became a notable scandal mid-February. As far as information consumption goes, though, I think if anything I've consumed too much. I don't live in NY and the stuff happening there has no relevance to me.