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Huh, you went from > I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars to > the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of th

Huh, you went from > I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars to > the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public ? Isn't that a bit of a... large jump? Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? I mean, maybe you can argue they should do that (for the public good), but unless they already do this in similar situations (or are normally instructed to), to show they actually acted in bad faith is going to need a lot more than arguing they didn't explicitly go out of their way to do so. Btw, here's what I'm reading they apparently reported: https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html https://fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html > Moderate Confidence: Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009. (See INR alternative view, page 84). > We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources. [...] Intelligence information on whether nuclear-related phosphate mining and/or processing has been reestablished is inconclusive, however. (To be clear: none of this is to suggest I'm a fan of the entities involved...)

willcipriano 6y ago
On the "I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars" comment we have started what 4 wars since Iraq? Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. I can find some YouTube clips later of CIA directors justifying war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria if you don't believe me. > Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? They did so pretty frequently during the Trump administration. Whistleblowers spoke up when someone came in claiming to want to end the war on terror, they didn't feel the need to do so in 2001 when that war was getting started.
- fit2rule 6y ago
  >Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. No.
dnautics 6y ago
Not defending the cia, but the yellow cake thing was not a lie of commission (arguably a lie of omission): it was very much true in the strictest senses - hussein did have yellow cake and we did not know for sure where it was and he blocked inspectors that he was supposed to let in. but utterly overblown and misrepresented: yellow cake is not that dangerous by itself, hussein had stopped trying to enrich it - and we probably knew that - and it turned out to be exactly where it was last known to be to be under the UN inspections regime. As they say, technically correct, the best kind of correct.

willcipriano 6y ago

On the "I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars" comment we have started what 4 wars since Iraq? Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. I can find some YouTube clips later of CIA directors justifying war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria if you don't believe me. > Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? They did so pretty frequently during the Trump administration. Whistleblowers spoke up when someone came in claiming to want to end the war on terror, they didn't feel the need to do so in 2001 when that war was getting started.

fit2rule 6y ago
>Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. No.

dnautics 6y ago

Not defending the cia, but the yellow cake thing was not a lie of commission (arguably a lie of omission): it was very much true in the strictest senses - hussein did have yellow cake and we did not know for sure where it was and he blocked inspectors that he was supposed to let in. but utterly overblown and misrepresented: yellow cake is not that dangerous by itself, hussein had stopped trying to enrich it - and we probably knew that - and it turned out to be exactly where it was last known to be to be under the UN inspections regime. As they say, technically correct, the best kind of correct.