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It is false, but so is Bezos' claim - if you would take $100K in salary, but wouldn't take $90K, that means your time is worth X where $90K <= x < $100K. Let's

It is false, but so is Bezos' claim - if you would take $100K in salary, but wouldn't take $90K, that means your time is worth X where $90K <= x < $100K. Let's assume x = $95K. If your work is worth to me $120K, and you accept $100K, you have created $20K for me. Therefore our employment agreement created $25K in value each year.

Joker_vD 5y ago
I remember reading something like this in Marx's first volume of Capital, where he was explaining how the labour is "self-expanding", that is, producing more than it costs to sustain (except he used work-hours in accounting). Funnily enough, if you read Marx's account closely enough, there is no unfairness in payment: what's bought is "ability to work", its marginal price in the competitive market is exactly the cost of living, and the fact that the price of the resulting product the higher is irrelevant.
ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
If someone pays you $100K, then your value is, by definition, $100K, because the value is what someone is willing to pay. 100% of that value, by the way, is created by you developing from a $0K-salary baby into a $100K-salary adult. So that's 100K value created by the employee (and the people in their life to an immeasurable degree). If your work is worth $120K to your employer, the difference, like you said, is $20K of value created by the employee. All this to importantly note that the employment agreement didn't create $120K of value -- the employee did, for the employer. If the employer takes 2 of you, each individually providing $120,000 of value to their customers, and, through managing you as a team, manages to extract $250,000 from a customer, then the employer has finally created value -- specifically, $10,000 worth.
- Joker_vD 5y ago
  It's a interesting approach to accounting, except for the fact that the manager is not paid $10k when employers are paid $120k each. And anyway, that's not the manager who produced that value: it's the sales team, without them the product is literally worthless. So what is manager paid for, again? And even more interesting question now would be "what are shareholders are paid for anyway, after they've been repaid the initial investment with the interest on top?"
  - pnutjam 5y ago
    sales team creating value... hilarious... LOL
    - Joker_vD 5y ago
      I tried to pull reducto ad absurdum as hard as I could; judging by the score on that comment, I've succeeded.
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    That is definitely an interesting way of interpreting what I said

Joker_vD 5y ago

I remember reading something like this in Marx's first volume of Capital, where he was explaining how the labour is "self-expanding", that is, producing more than it costs to sustain (except he used work-hours in accounting). Funnily enough, if you read Marx's account closely enough, there is no unfairness in payment: what's bought is "ability to work", its marginal price in the competitive market is exactly the cost of living, and the fact that the price of the resulting product the higher is irrelevant.

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago

If someone pays you $100K, then your value is, by definition, $100K, because the value is what someone is willing to pay. 100% of that value, by the way, is created by you developing from a $0K-salary baby into a $100K-salary adult. So that's 100K value created by the employee (and the people in their life to an immeasurable degree). If your work is worth $120K to your employer, the difference, like you said, is $20K of value created by the employee. All this to importantly note that the employment agreement didn't create $120K of value -- the employee did, for the employer. If the employer takes 2 of you, each individually providing $120,000 of value to their customers, and, through managing you as a team, manages to extract $250,000 from a customer, then the employer has finally created value -- specifically, $10,000 worth.

Joker_vD 5y ago
It's a interesting approach to accounting, except for the fact that the manager is not paid $10k when employers are paid $120k each. And anyway, that's not the manager who produced that value: it's the sales team, without them the product is literally worthless. So what is manager paid for, again? And even more interesting question now would be "what are shareholders are paid for anyway, after they've been repaid the initial investment with the interest on top?"
- pnutjam 5y ago
  sales team creating value... hilarious... LOL
  - Joker_vD 5y ago
    I tried to pull reducto ad absurdum as hard as I could; judging by the score on that comment, I've succeeded.
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  That is definitely an interesting way of interpreting what I said