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This doesn’t work. It’s not content filtering that I care about, it’s the ability for Apple to enforce standards around usability and features that are better

This doesn’t work. It’s not content filtering that I care about, it’s the ability for Apple to enforce standards around usability and features that are better for their users. Without control of the store they lose that leverage. App devs will just ship outside of it and include all the tracking they want. It’ll also block Apple from being able to require things like Apple ID or Apple Pay support which provide direct benefits to users, but can run counter to what app devs want.

skohan 5y ago
I just don't find this very compelling. It's fine for me if the "default mode" of use for Apple's products is a filtered, curated experience. If users have to jump through even a few hoops to side-load apps, 99% of casual users will not do it.
- fossuser 5y ago
  We already see this on PCs with competing game distributors (Steam, Origin, Epic) - we'd see the same on iOS too.
aabbcc1241 5y ago
You as a user has absolute right to choose whatever app that fulfill your own standards around usability and features, w/wo any app stores.
- fossuser 5y ago
  When incentives are not aligned it's effectively moloch [0]. The choice I want won't exist in that world and I don't have the leverage to require it to exist. Apple does and that's why I choose their products. [0]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
perfobotto 5y ago
This idea that having a separate App Store would completely render the ecosystem a Wild West of standards like Linux is something I never understood. If they allow side loading developers will still stick with the App Store and their standard if they want to sell, like it happens on android where devs stick with the play store . If people massively reject the App Store if alternative ways of installing an app become available then maybe it wasn’t that valued of a feature in the first place by the users ...
- fossuser 5y ago
  It’s valued by the users, not by the app devs. It wouldn’t be an “alternative choice” app devs with leverage would ship outside of the store to bypass policy and force users to install shitty versions. You might have to do this because of network effects.

skohan 5y ago

I just don't find this very compelling. It's fine for me if the "default mode" of use for Apple's products is a filtered, curated experience. If users have to jump through even a few hoops to side-load apps, 99% of casual users will not do it.

fossuser 5y ago
We already see this on PCs with competing game distributors (Steam, Origin, Epic) - we'd see the same on iOS too.

aabbcc1241 5y ago

You as a user has absolute right to choose whatever app that fulfill your own standards around usability and features, w/wo any app stores.

fossuser 5y ago
When incentives are not aligned it's effectively moloch [0]. The choice I want won't exist in that world and I don't have the leverage to require it to exist. Apple does and that's why I choose their products. [0]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

perfobotto 5y ago

This idea that having a separate App Store would completely render the ecosystem a Wild West of standards like Linux is something I never understood. If they allow side loading developers will still stick with the App Store and their standard if they want to sell, like it happens on android where devs stick with the play store . If people massively reject the App Store if alternative ways of installing an app become available then maybe it wasn’t that valued of a feature in the first place by the users ...

fossuser 5y ago
It’s valued by the users, not by the app devs. It wouldn’t be an “alternative choice” app devs with leverage would ship outside of the store to bypass policy and force users to install shitty versions. You might have to do this because of network effects.