> I think Rational Ro$e used them Yes, prior to version 4. > He ended up throwing in with Ivar Jacobsen Jacobson had a proven method and toolset at that time

> I think Rational Ro$e used them Yes, prior to version 4. > He ended up throwing in with Ivar Jacobsen Jacobson had a proven method and toolset at that time called Objectory which was superior to Rose. Unfortunately they killed the tool. It seems to be an imperative of history that mediocrity prevails better.