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If you want something decentralised what's wrong with doing the same with Tor and/or Matrix?

by zdkl 5y ago

andix 5y ago
Matrix is not ready for non-technical people. Way too much stuff to consider as a user. It's similar to PGP a technology that will probably never go mainstream.
- bayesianbot 5y ago
  Is there? I'm definitely the kind of person who wants to set up my own server and bridges for it at some point, but when I tried Matrix for the first time last week I just created an account at matrix.org, installed a quite polished client and just started chatting.
  - wayoutthere 5y ago
    The iOS client (Element) is garbage unless they fixed it in the last month. I suspect that’s what they’re referring to.
  - mulander 5y ago
    Last time I tried matrix, and mind you that was over 3 years ago. Was with riot.im and trying to use the e2e encryption. The major surprise was not being able to suddenly decrypt older chat messages when OpenBSD changed the User-Agent string for Chromium which as I understand was used to establish the device identity. This is not something non-technical people can or want to diagnose.
    - miloignis 5y ago
      It's significantly better now! They've done a lot in the last 3 years, and during that timeframe was when cross signing and e2ee DMs became default. It's not perfect, but it's by far the best I've found for my priorities, and I think it's much more reasonable for regular people now. And if not now, hopefully soon! As a sibling mentioned, some of the alternative clients are also getting good.
- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  I used to believe the same as you about the usability of Matrix, but then I discovered the Fluffy Chat matrix client. It aims and looks to be as simple to use as WhatsApp or Telegram. Check it out if you haven't seen it: https://fluffychat.im/en/ https://fluffychat.im/en/
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Comparing Element to PGP is ridiculous.

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If you want something decentralised what's wrong with doing the same with Tor and/or Matrix?

by zdkl 5y ago

If you want something decentralised what's wrong with doing the same with Tor and/or Matrix?

andix 5y ago
Matrix is not ready for non-technical people. Way too much stuff to consider as a user. It's similar to PGP a technology that will probably never go mainstream.
- bayesianbot 5y ago
  Is there? I'm definitely the kind of person who wants to set up my own server and bridges for it at some point, but when I tried Matrix for the first time last week I just created an account at matrix.org, installed a quite polished client and just started chatting.
  - wayoutthere 5y ago
    The iOS client (Element) is garbage unless they fixed it in the last month. I suspect that’s what they’re referring to.
  - mulander 5y ago
    Last time I tried matrix, and mind you that was over 3 years ago. Was with riot.im and trying to use the e2e encryption. The major surprise was not being able to suddenly decrypt older chat messages when OpenBSD changed the User-Agent string for Chromium which as I understand was used to establish the device identity. This is not something non-technical people can or want to diagnose.
    - miloignis 5y ago
      It's significantly better now! They've done a lot in the last 3 years, and during that timeframe was when cross signing and e2ee DMs became default. It's not perfect, but it's by far the best I've found for my priorities, and I think it's much more reasonable for regular people now. And if not now, hopefully soon! As a sibling mentioned, some of the alternative clients are also getting good.
- 1MachineElf 5y ago
  I used to believe the same as you about the usability of Matrix, but then I discovered the Fluffy Chat matrix client. It aims and looks to be as simple to use as WhatsApp or Telegram. Check it out if you haven't seen it: https://fluffychat.im/en/ https://fluffychat.im/en/
- BlueTemplar 5y ago
  Comparing Element to PGP is ridiculous.