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There needs to be an informed decision pollution breakdown, industry by industry of the climate change impact. Cows are the latest media exposed industry but I
by DoingIsLearning 5y ago
There needs to be an informed decision pollution breakdown, industry by industry of the climate change impact.
Cows are the latest media exposed industry but I have no intuition on how they compare with other industries? Coal power plants? ICEs in auto industry? Petro-Chemical industry?
If the meat industry collapsed would we eliminate 20% of the world's pollution or 0.2%? I have no idea and haven't found any clear cut data on this?
- junon 5y agoThis is the biggest problem with climate change in my opinion. Public education is abysmal and as someone that fully believes in it I still have the exact same issue - I have no clear understanding of the problem in order to make a clear decision as to where I could focus my efforts.
- elite_hackers 5y agoYou think -that- is the “biggest problem” with climate change? I’ve got bad news for you kid
- junon 5y agoYou missed my point and you were a jerk in the process. Bravo.
- elite_hackers 5y agoI’m sorry your feelings were hurt.
- itcrowd 5y agoThere's a good chart with a short text summary at Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector
- Jetgocl 5y ago> Grants from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
- parski 5y agoAmong many other grants, sponsors, donors and contributors such as the UK government and the WHO. What's your point?
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoThis is really really cool. So looking at the world data the global warming effect of the whole world livestock production is 5.8% which is aproximately the same as the methane emissions of accidental leaks in the Energy sector industries. It seems logistically much easier to solve the problem of coal mining leaks and Oil and Gas methane leaks created by a few multinational conglomerates, than to try and curb a fractured meat industry spread through multiple (often developing) countries.
- elite_hackers 5y agoYou think repairing literally millions of abandoned leaking natural gas wells is easier?
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoI don't really know but my gut feeling is that you can sit down with the 99.9% of those well owners at a single OPEC or IOGP meeting. However, you would struggle to enforce any meat industry curbing measure with the millions of meat producers spread across many developing countries.
- morsch 5y agoIf you think it's easier to focus on developed countries, North America and Europe are responsible for 1/3 of the global meat production (~110 million tons/year). China is another 80 million tons. On the consumption side, and leaving aside the micro-nation of Hong Kong, the US lead the per capita meat consumption charts with 124 kg/year, with other high-wealth countries close behind. (China: 61 kg/year.) The developing countries don't have to be a particular priority, at this point. https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production
- toyg 5y agoAnd what about forest-killing soy and avocado plantations? What about water-guzzling fields? The “environmental” story of vegetarianism is such hypocritical bullshit.
- elite_hackers 5y agoWhat about them?
- vineyardmike 5y agoIt seems the data doesn’t back up this assertion (based on studies linked elsewhere in this post). PS. What-about-ism is not a sound argument.
- bafumio 5y agoYour examples are still much better then beef. Beef creates the pressure for forest killing soy btw.
- detritus 5y agoWhat about grass-fed beef like we have more of here in Europe?
- jayd16 5y agoIndustry by industry doesn't reward good actors or innovation within an industry. Ideally we would just directly tax polluters and let the price reflect the pollution.