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I can't think if there has been a worse time to be a PC enthusiast. Everything is so hard to come by, and if you can find parts, prices are insane.
by teruakohatu 6y ago
I can't think if there has been a worse time to be a PC enthusiast. Everything is so hard to come by, and if you can find parts, prices are insane.
- 0xy 6y agoYou can buy a pre-built gaming PC with a Nvidia 3080 today and have it delivered by the end of the week. The shortage exists exclusively on the retail side, OEMs are awash with both graphics cards and CPUs.
- ds 6y agoThis is not true. Every major prebuilt company has significant delays on 3080s and 3090s. I just checked. ibuypower: 6 weeks nzxt: 4 weeks originpc: 4 weeks maingear: 12 weeks alienware: 5 weeks
- wmf 6y agoI think you forgot to check the actual majors Dell, HP/Omen, and Lenovo/Legion but maybe they're just as bad.
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- eganist 6y agoAlienware = dell for the top end stuff like 3090s. And to that end: https://i.imgur.com/oXgofp7.png https://i.imgur.com/oXgofp7.png
- bm1362 6y agoI just went this route to build a ML workstation. I was able to get a prebuilt with a 3090 for ~30% of a comparable build on https://lambdalabs.com/ https://lambdalabs.com/. Now I just need to wait until next year to get the second 3090. I considered waiting for the new A4000s to launch to see if they'd have better inventory but figured 3090s have additional value as a gaming gpu. I'd be curious how professional ML folks are fairing and what they're using -- it's not too late to cancel my build.
- tryonenow 6y agoAWS GPU compute is pretty cheap if you don't need their newest beefiest rigs.
- bm1362 6y agoI've prototype on a collab notebook and have been using AWS GPUs for training. Having to jump through hoops for quota and the general anxiety in trying to optimize the costs led me to just build a machine with a 1-time upfront cost. As a sole proprietor, I can write off the capex against future revenue anyways and depreciate it.
- thebruce87m 6y agoJust got this delivered yesterday: https://www.novatech.co.uk/savedbuild/ccf0fcec-685d-4f4b-8be2-8c0c5e796870 https://www.novatech.co.uk/savedbuild/ccf0fcec-685d-4f4b-8be... New to ML but looks similar enough to some of the builds on your site that I’m slightly less scared that I made the wrong choice!
- bm1362 6y agoDope, 7 days is a pretty nice turnaround. I went with a 'custom' prebuilt so I could plan for adding additional cards once they're well supplied. You might run into trouble with the PSU, case clearance and mobo throughput if you plan on adding another 3-slot 3090 - those are all sub-1k though so you can always swap once you need to!
- rckoepke 6y agoAlienware's published lead time should be taken with a large grain of salt. My 3090RTX / Ryzen 5600X build just shipped 12 days after I ordered it, a full 3 weeks faster than the estimate I was given at the time that I ordered it.
- dijit 6y agoWe just bought 20 Dell Prevision workstations with 3080’s in them and they were delivered fine with no question about availability for more. (In Sweden)
- rasz 6y agoSure, but now you are stuck with un-upgradeable FCLGA3647 systems.
- TrustPatches 6y agoThat’s what I did, a lot of the smaller pre-build retailers are out of stock but HP/Dell/etc. still have the high end cards in reasonably priced builds.
- gigatexal 6y agoYup. My gaming PC is still rocking a 3700X and an RX580 because finding stock for GPUs at close to MSRP for the high-ish or even mid range cards is near impossible. :( Edit: and I’m in Germany which means import fees, and other things that make things a bit more expensive.
- lrem 6y agoMy gaming PC is on a fourth generation Intel with a RTX 2080. Still enough to do >100fps in the games I play on 1440p.
- gigatexal 6y agoI was looking at even a 1080ti and they’re > 500 euros here in Germany! It’s ridiculous. I mean it’s an amazing GPU but it’s 2 generations old now.
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoIn Austria even 1660s are >400 Euros. Try that for insane. 1080TI was one of nvidia's "mistakes" as it was ahead of its time in performance and VRAM size and was one of the reasons people owning it could afford to skip the overpriced RTX20X0 series and even the RTX30X0 series. That's why they held up in value so well, even before the pandemic shortages.
- gigatexal 6y agoTrue. It really is a special card. Good thing is, at least for me, I don’t need a new GPU I’d just like one for higher fidelity in games.
- KptMarchewa 6y agoI could sell my 1060 6GB for roughly same price I've bought it back in 2016.
- cammikebrown 6y ago
- nathias 6y agoWorst time so far. The problems will only increase because PC will become a small niche item for enthusiast not a common item.
- another_kel 6y agoAlso there are potential problems with x86 pc's not being able to match ssd->gpu streaming speeds of custom architecture consoles.
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoThat's not an x86 bottleneck as Microsoft is bringing the tech to PC[1], and best part, it even works on Gen 3 SSDs so you don't have to burn $ on top of the line Gen 4 drives. [1]https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-to-share-more-details-on-microsoft-directstorage-for-pc-in-april.html https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-to-share-more-de...
- another_kel 6y agoLook at slide 5 — they are still using system memory instead of reading directly to gpu. Although ms rep did say that direct streaming is being worked on[1]. Also we still don't know details on nvidia's proprietary rxt-io. But I wouldn't call that solved. [1] — https://imgur.com/a/fHnLLQo https://imgur.com/a/fHnLLQo
- kcb 6y agoIt's the same story every generation. There may be some things the consoles are better at right now but give it 2 years and we'll be complaining how the consoles are holding things back again.
- oblio 6y agoYup. PCs will mostly move into 1970s hobbyist territory but nowadays you can't build 5nm chips in your garage. Well, not all of them, since a ton of professionals use them, but some niches like PC gaming will feel a bit like that very soon, compared to mobile gaming. https://www.statista.com/statistics/292751/mobile-gaming-revenue-worldwide-device/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/292751/mobile-gaming-rev... (and the trend is for mobile games to become much bigger much faster than desktop games)
- f6v 6y agoJust gaming enthusiast in general. Try buying latest gen console in Europe. I gave up and am now playing Rome TW port for iPad.
- Paradigma11 6y agoThis situation has convinced me to buy a completely new system when prices come down again and use the old one as a server/backup.
- hderms 6y agoYeah if you've had a "ship of theseus" pc for a while it seems like a complete rebuild every 5 years is usually reasonable to prevent any component bottlenecking you too much
- agloeregrets 6y agoI bought an RX580 in december for $140 on ebay. Currently, one in the condition I have goes for $350. My GPU purchase is out-earning Bitcoin. This is dumb.