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And yet here in the UK we are thinking of reintroducing wolves, as has already been done with beavers.

paulmd 6y ago
they did. we paid a lot of money to reintroduce wolves. you did, your taxes did. https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2020-01-14/25-years-ago-wolves-were-reintroduced-to-idaho https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2020-01-14/25-yea... https://www.idahopress.com/postregister/farmandranch/idaho/wolf-reintroduction-to-idaho-creates-conflict/article_e4c7b475-91cf-5b7f-8d76-a7140e331442.html https://www.idahopress.com/postregister/farmandranch/idaho/w... same thing in michigan. it's emblematic of how the culture has shifted far to the conservative. environmentalism is out, the farm lobby is powerful, and now we'll straight-up shoot the wolves we spent so much time reintroducing. at this point it's just another bullet in the culture war more than anything. farmers want them gone and doing so will piss off the libs, so why not? > “That was the camel’s nose,” says former Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter. “The unintended consequences were the fact that after the introduction, even with the denials, the populations of wolves exploded, the federal government had control of them, and they weren’t going to turn it over to the states.” killing the wolves will piss off the libs and show Washington who's boss and that's what conservative states want.
- zabzonk 6y ago
  Sometimes I think we should have open season on farmers - bullies, over-entitled, funded by our taxes, people that close off public rights of way, and so on - that's the stereotype of the farmer for most urban UK citizens. Possibly the same in the US. Having said that, possibly some animal introductions are not particularly desirable. My younger brother was once savaged by a coypu (not a European species) in the French countryside, and had to have stitches and tetanus and rabies injections. Also, they destroy river-banks.
- spfzero 6y ago
  Well it’s the ranching lobby rather than the farm lobby, unless wolves have started eating corn. And ranchers have been killing wolves in the west for hundreds of years, so it’s not a new culteral shift. Personally though, I think if you want to start a sheep ranch in an area where wolves have lived for thousands of years, I’m not going to feel too sorry about what happens. You’d be smarter to pick a different place. No one’s reintroducing them into new habitats, just their legacy habitats.

they did. we paid a lot of money to reintroduce wolves. you did, your taxes did. https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2020-01-14/25-years-ago-wolves-were-reintroduced-to-idaho https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/news/2020-01-14/25-yea... https://www.idahopress.com/postregister/farmandranch/idaho/wolf-reintroduction-to-idaho-creates-conflict/article_e4c7b475-91cf-5b7f-8d76-a7140e331442.html https://www.idahopress.com/postregister/farmandranch/idaho/w... same thing in michigan. it's emblematic of how the culture has shifted far to the conservative. environmentalism is out, the farm lobby is powerful, and now we'll straight-up shoot the wolves we spent so much time reintroducing. at this point it's just another bullet in the culture war more than anything. farmers want them gone and doing so will piss off the libs, so why not? > “That was the camel’s nose,” says former Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter. “The unintended consequences were the fact that after the introduction, even with the denials, the populations of wolves exploded, the federal government had control of them, and they weren’t going to turn it over to the states.” killing the wolves will piss off the libs and show Washington who's boss and that's what conservative states want.

zabzonk 6y ago
Sometimes I think we should have open season on farmers - bullies, over-entitled, funded by our taxes, people that close off public rights of way, and so on - that's the stereotype of the farmer for most urban UK citizens. Possibly the same in the US. Having said that, possibly some animal introductions are not particularly desirable. My younger brother was once savaged by a coypu (not a European species) in the French countryside, and had to have stitches and tetanus and rabies injections. Also, they destroy river-banks.
spfzero 6y ago
Well it’s the ranching lobby rather than the farm lobby, unless wolves have started eating corn. And ranchers have been killing wolves in the west for hundreds of years, so it’s not a new culteral shift. Personally though, I think if you want to start a sheep ranch in an area where wolves have lived for thousands of years, I’m not going to feel too sorry about what happens. You’d be smarter to pick a different place. No one’s reintroducing them into new habitats, just their legacy habitats.