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"And if, for some reason, this sort of coverage hurts you, offends you, makes you angry and bitter and affronted, then maybe take a moment to close your eyes, r

by myrryr 5y ago

"And if, for some reason, this sort of coverage hurts you, offends you, makes you angry and bitter and affronted, then maybe take a moment to close your eyes, really feel the hurt, and then try to determine why focused reporting on an important innovation made by an important company is something you feel personally." Because it is still safer than the cars without it, and by casting it as awful, Jalopnik is killing people. I don't even drive, I just ended up processing data on "road deaths"

carlivar 5y ago
There is no data published to fully back up the claim that autopilot is safer than humans. The problem on the surface is: Autopilot is used mainly on limited access roads but safety is compared to all roads. A Tesla is an expensive, new car and is compared to all cars of all ages and maintenance. The drivers of above cars are also skewed statistically versus all drivers. It's disappointing that the same people quick to claim to "follow the data" or "follow the science" are so comfortable doing nothing of the sort and simply trusting Tesla -- who obviously can't be objective here.
- mcot2 5y ago
  Tesla publishes data about their own cars with autopilot engaged vs. disengaged. This should get rid of a lot of the variables that you cited.
  - carlivar 5y ago
    Do they compare like-for-like driving conditions and roadways? If it's just autopilot versus not-autopilot, that's flawed. People don't turn on autopilot in urban environments, for example, where accidents are more likely.
  - root_axis 5y ago
    No it doesn't... autopilot can only be safely operated on highways, on roads with traffic lights and stop signs autopilot often times will refuse to even start, and when it does, it can only be used up until the next traffic stop, it can't be compared to a human driver under typical driving conditions.

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"And if, for some reason, this sort of coverage hurts you, offends you, makes you angry and bitter and affronted, then maybe take a moment to close your eyes, r

by myrryr 5y ago

carlivar 5y ago
There is no data published to fully back up the claim that autopilot is safer than humans. The problem on the surface is: Autopilot is used mainly on limited access roads but safety is compared to all roads. A Tesla is an expensive, new car and is compared to all cars of all ages and maintenance. The drivers of above cars are also skewed statistically versus all drivers. It's disappointing that the same people quick to claim to "follow the data" or "follow the science" are so comfortable doing nothing of the sort and simply trusting Tesla -- who obviously can't be objective here.
- mcot2 5y ago
  Tesla publishes data about their own cars with autopilot engaged vs. disengaged. This should get rid of a lot of the variables that you cited.
  - carlivar 5y ago
    Do they compare like-for-like driving conditions and roadways? If it's just autopilot versus not-autopilot, that's flawed. People don't turn on autopilot in urban environments, for example, where accidents are more likely.
  - root_axis 5y ago
    No it doesn't... autopilot can only be safely operated on highways, on roads with traffic lights and stop signs autopilot often times will refuse to even start, and when it does, it can only be used up until the next traffic stop, it can't be compared to a human driver under typical driving conditions.