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> It is naive to think that any company at that scale has your best interests at heart. They will do whatever it takes to make more money, period. Exactly. And
by hugi 5y ago
> It is naive to think that any company at that scale has your best interests at heart. They will do whatever it takes to make more money, period.
Exactly. And Apple makes money of privacy. It's their thing.
Google's business model is based on abusing my privacy.
Apple's business model is based on securing my privacy.
That's why I use Apple stuff and won't touch Google with a 10 feet pole.
- joshuamorton 5y ago> Exactly. And Apple makes money of privacy. It's their thing. Apple makes money by (among other things) appealing to a certain set of privacy conscious consumers. That's different than "making money off of privacy".
- hugi 5y agoHow so?
- colinmhayes 5y agoonly if you think consumers are idiots.
- encryptluks2 5y agoI thought by making the argument that users shouldn't be allowed to install apps themselves you were making that insinuation and that people supporting Apple's anti-competitive behavior are willfully ignorant.
- joshuamorton 5y agohttps://twitter.com/Carnage4Life/status/1387153977620451336 https://twitter.com/Carnage4Life/status/1387153977620451336 I think that Apple is often deceptive about the degree to which they themselves track users and store user data. I think its simultaneously true that Apple stores less information about [advertising] users that Google does, but is less straightforward about the information it does track, and keeps more than the average Apple user thinks.
- roody15 5y agoPrivacy from whom? Apple fully complies with all law enforcement requests and turns over all icloud data from a valid warrant. https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... Some it seems thinks Apple keeps data private and anonymous. In fact they do the opposite and encourage using an icloud account over and over (after ever update). All of this data is easily acquired via a warrant at any law enforcement level. A county cop (without a college degree) investigating his neighbor can get all this info simply submitting a scanned PDF of a warrant from a county judge.
- hugi 5y agoAre you seriously equating a legal warrant with the realtime harvesting of user data by applications (such as Google/Facebook and others)?
- roody15 5y agoNot really, I am pointing out data privacy means different things to different people. From my experience many are surprised how easily a users data can be obtained. There appears to be a misconception with some that Apple fights legal battles and refuses to comply with law enforcement because Apple believes so strongly in data privacy. One example: There was a person harassing people on facebook in a small local community. Sending obscene images and making threats. To solve the crime local law enforcement ended up compiling a list of just under 20 possible suspects. Hoping to match an iCloud photo to a post on facebook a warrant was issued for all 20 users data. Apple sends an. encrypted file with all the data and then another email with the passwords Long story short the offender was caught however almost 20 people’s data was looked through by local law enforcement. I stress local because this is not some federal agent solving a major crime but just a neighbor police officer who sends his own kids to the same schools as these other innocent people. Disclaimer: I assisted law enforcement on this case and a couple of others.
- NorwegianDude 5y agoIf you think Apple is collecting less personal data using iOS than Google is collecting using Android then you'll be disappointed...