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I think what's possibly needed is a return to a more traditional relationship and dating culture. In the past, if a man had a dalliance with with a woman and s
by CryptoPunk 5y ago
I think what's possibly needed is a return to a more traditional relationship and dating culture.
In the past, if a man had a dalliance with with a woman and she got pregnant, he was expected to marry her.
Now we expect women to have to be responsible for their own decisions the way men are, but women are generally more emotionally vulnerable than men, due to their more compassionate and less aggressive personalities, and are more easily manipulated as a result.
Therefore it may be up to men to not abuse that.
This was the assumption in place in the past, which is why young women often had chaperones present during close interactions with men, and why the 'marriage if pregnancy' responsibility was placed on men.
We've tried the 'rawr girl power, women can do everything men can do' culture, and the result is scores of women being used and taken advantage of because they were not capable, emotionally/temperamentally, to be their own advocate in sex and dating interactions.
- cloudfifty 5y agoThat's a deeply misogynistic take. What do you base this on?
- CryptoPunk 5y agoHow is it misogynistic? I base it on the prevalence of stories like this, where a woman ostensibly consents to sexual advances and later regrets it and feels she had be abused. The issue is not consent. The issue is vulnerability. Women are generally more vulnerable to advances from men and more likely to consent to an interaction when it's not in their best interest, than men would be, due to well documented physiological and psychological differences between the sexes.
- DoreenMichele 5y agoIt essentially assumes incompetence on the part of women. That's not the only possible explanation. I don't even think it's the most plausible explanation. Social pressure and upbringing are large factors in human behavior and it takes time to make society-wide changes.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoIs noting that women have two times less upper body strength misogynistic because it implies less competency in hand-to-hand combat or heavy manual labor? I'm assuming women are more compassionate and less aggressive, which makes women less competent in competitive settings where self-advocacy is important, and more competent in scenarios requiring cooperation and caretaking, like child-rearing. Whether these differences are inherent to female biology, or a result of deeply ingrained structures of human culture that mold girls in their upbringing is orthogonal to my premise. But as it happens, there is overwhelming/definitive evidence that much of these differences are biological in origin, and noting that is not misogynistic. We do not make the world better by deceiving ourselves about it. An accurate model of the world is needed before any positive changes for it can be formulated. A positive but inaccurate vision of the world does not result in actions that improve the world.
- DreamScatter 5y agoWomen are extremely competitive and they are not more compassionate than men.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoWomen are less aggressive and more compassionate (agreeable) than men on average.
- DoreenMichele 5y agoThere is zero reason to believe that this superficial appearance is due to innate wiring. Female aspies tend to be under diagnosed because girls get pressured to conform socially so much that even when they have an actual social disability, they are expected to get with the program anyway. That right there is shocking evidence of the extreme social pressure the world places on girls and not boys.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
- cloudfifty 5y ago> I base it on the prevalence of stories like this So you've just pulled it out of thin air. What I figured. It's just victim blaming through misogynistic prejudices.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoPersonal observation is not 'pulling it out of thin air'. And I did the opposite of victim blaming. I stated that even a woman's consent does not absolve men of responsibility for women suffering poor outcomes as a result of the interaction. You mischaracterized my comment to an extreme degree, without even bothering to understand, let alone contend with, the points raised. Attitudes like this are not conducive to constructively discussing complex social issues. They lead to the forwarding of certain propositions being avoided, out of a fear of eliciting exactly the kind of response you provided, which increases the possibility that society will settle on a faulty model of the situation, and thereby not institute changes that improve it.
- cloudfifty 5y agoSorry, but what a pathetic tone policing reply to blatant misogynistic garbage about women being inherently "more emotional", "We've tried the 'rawr girl power", and so on. You're just wrong and clearly not worth the energy.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoBeing held to account for your false accusations is not "tone policing", so please stop gaslighting. I didn't write that women are "more emotional". I wrote they are generally "more emotionally vulnerable". It's irresponsible to make extremely harsh accusations against someone when the analysis that the accusation is based on is sloppy and low-effort. And as an aside, claiming that women are generally more emotional wouldn't be misogynistic, any more than noting that men are generally more aggressive is misandrist. There is nothing sexist about claiming general psychological differences between the sexes. Your accusations are extreme mischaracterizations, and the basis of your dismissal of my argument is based on a weak/entirely-ideological heuristic.
- DreamScatter 5y agoWomen are not more compassionate than men, that's false. Women have an instinct to take care of children (as do men), but this does not extend to society at large.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoWomen score higher on agreeableness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreeableness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreeableness