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As someone who thinks what happened at the capitol was really scary and very serious the insurrection language is still a joke. Cambridge defines insurrection

by anm89 6y ago

As someone who thinks what happened at the capitol was really scary and very serious the insurrection language is still a joke. Cambridge defines insurrection as: > an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence: This was more like an organized attempt to get drunk on Budweiser and listen to Kenney Chesney and take "cool" pictures in the capital building for social media likes. It was closer to rushing area 51 than a real rebellion. They deserve to go to jail for sure if they trespassed in the capitol building or did anything else violent but to make it out to be some kind of orchestrated power grab is ridiculous.

lindy2021 6y ago
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" Meanwhile the Capitol is still surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty many months after the "most popular president of all time" was ushered in.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  It’s hard for me to see that as a problem. What problem is that causing for you, or anybody else?
  - potions 6y ago
    if you live here it sucks. soldiers in the streets are -EV in the vibe department.
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      Yep I lived in DC. I haven't felt that the consequences are so terrible... What are your thoughts?
  - lindy2021 6y ago
    Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution. When does it end? Or is this the new normal?
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      I don't know the answer. What are your thoughts?
pyuser583 6y ago
I’m sure that a small group had planned something very serious. I don’t know how many of the 2000 people were a part of that, and how many were, as you say, “trespassing.” I found it very serious too. I have a serious medical condition. It’s very important that I be able to get to hospital quickly. I’m terrified of being in a place like the capitol, and being stuck there without access to an ambulance. My point - and this is not a popular one - is that any gathering that has the potential to delay emergency services is a serious matter. Anyone who causes it should be held accountable for the deaths that result.
- lindy2021 6y ago
  You'd agree the protesters that stormed the Oklahoma Capitol last week should be held accountable too then? https://twitter.com/tylertalley22/status/1384972821714161667 https://twitter.com/tylertalley22/status/1384972821714161667 https://kfor.com/news/local/protesters-gather-at-oklahoma-capitol/ https://kfor.com/news/local/protesters-gather-at-oklahoma-ca...
  - pyuser583 6y ago
    If people can’t get out, or medics can’t get in, that’s serious. Nothing to do with politics. I don’t know whether or to what degree the OK protestors blocked movement of people. If they did, then yes.
- anm89 6y ago
  I don't disagree with anything your saying but none of that makes that a insurrection.
redis_mlc 6y ago
If Jan. 6 was an insurrection, then so was Oct. 5, 2018 when Dems occupied the same building during the confirmation hearings on Kavanaugh, where 163 protesters were arrested: "Thirteen people were removed from the Senate galleries and arrested, according to Capitol Police." and "The crowd grew and a large group of protesters marched up the Rotunda steps on the East Front of the Capitol. There, 150 protesters were arrested and charged with “crowding, obstructing, or incommoding,” according to a statement from the U.S. Capitol Police." https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/demonstrators-at-us-capitol-protest-impendng-kavanaugh-appointment/2018/10/06/0b40cb10-c98e-11e8-b1ed-1d2d65b86d0c_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/demonstrators-at-us-cap... Funny how Pelosi didn't mention the 2018 riot during her second bungled Trump impeachment, nor that her office didn't approve spending for adequate Capitol security for Jan. 6, 2020. So many coincidences.
jjeaff 6y ago
Obviously most of the group did not have any real plans. But some did. There were explosives planted, maps of underground escape routes, zip ties for taking prisoners, chat messages planning and coordinating, and I suspect much more that is not released yet due to the ongoing investigations. Looks like a dead ringer for the definition to me. It doesn't have to be -well- planned or likely to succeed.

by anm89 6y ago

lindy2021 6y ago

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" Meanwhile the Capitol is still surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty many months after the "most popular president of all time" was ushered in.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
It’s hard for me to see that as a problem. What problem is that causing for you, or anybody else?
- potions 6y ago
  if you live here it sucks. soldiers in the streets are -EV in the vibe department.
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    Yep I lived in DC. I haven't felt that the consequences are so terrible... What are your thoughts?
- lindy2021 6y ago
  Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution. When does it end? Or is this the new normal?
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    I don't know the answer. What are your thoughts?

pyuser583 6y ago

I’m sure that a small group had planned something very serious. I don’t know how many of the 2000 people were a part of that, and how many were, as you say, “trespassing.” I found it very serious too. I have a serious medical condition. It’s very important that I be able to get to hospital quickly. I’m terrified of being in a place like the capitol, and being stuck there without access to an ambulance. My point - and this is not a popular one - is that any gathering that has the potential to delay emergency services is a serious matter. Anyone who causes it should be held accountable for the deaths that result.

lindy2021 6y ago
You'd agree the protesters that stormed the Oklahoma Capitol last week should be held accountable too then? https://twitter.com/tylertalley22/status/1384972821714161667 https://twitter.com/tylertalley22/status/1384972821714161667 https://kfor.com/news/local/protesters-gather-at-oklahoma-capitol/ https://kfor.com/news/local/protesters-gather-at-oklahoma-ca...
- pyuser583 6y ago
  If people can’t get out, or medics can’t get in, that’s serious. Nothing to do with politics. I don’t know whether or to what degree the OK protestors blocked movement of people. If they did, then yes.
anm89 6y ago
I don't disagree with anything your saying but none of that makes that a insurrection.

redis_mlc 6y ago

If Jan. 6 was an insurrection, then so was Oct. 5, 2018 when Dems occupied the same building during the confirmation hearings on Kavanaugh, where 163 protesters were arrested: "Thirteen people were removed from the Senate galleries and arrested, according to Capitol Police." and "The crowd grew and a large group of protesters marched up the Rotunda steps on the East Front of the Capitol. There, 150 protesters were arrested and charged with “crowding, obstructing, or incommoding,” according to a statement from the U.S. Capitol Police." https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/demonstrators-at-us-capitol-protest-impendng-kavanaugh-appointment/2018/10/06/0b40cb10-c98e-11e8-b1ed-1d2d65b86d0c_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/demonstrators-at-us-cap... Funny how Pelosi didn't mention the 2018 riot during her second bungled Trump impeachment, nor that her office didn't approve spending for adequate Capitol security for Jan. 6, 2020. So many coincidences.

jjeaff 6y ago

Obviously most of the group did not have any real plans. But some did. There were explosives planted, maps of underground escape routes, zip ties for taking prisoners, chat messages planning and coordinating, and I suspect much more that is not released yet due to the ongoing investigations. Looks like a dead ringer for the definition to me. It doesn't have to be -well- planned or likely to succeed.