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It seems like everyone is equal, until everyone is drunk, then the women need to be treated like children and protected. Which is the very thing feminism was f

It seems like everyone is equal, until everyone is drunk, then the women need to be treated like children and protected. Which is the very thing feminism was fighting AGAINST - having men make decisions for you. Then we blame men, say they need to do better. That seems ridiculous.

sweetheart 6y ago
> then the women need to be treated like children and protected. Mate, no. This applies to men, women, nonbinary folks, non-human animals, etc. Literally any living thing. If you don't consent, anyone having sex with you is wrong. It's wrong if a man tries to have sex with a drunk, non-consenting person, and it's wrong if a women tries to have sex with a drunk, non-consenting person. This is the _opposite_ of making a decision for someone. It's recognizing that they kind of _can't_ make a decision, so you simply do nothing.
- analognoise 6y ago
  ...so why is the part about them drinking in the story? They were consenting adults, both well within their senses? Or was she like unconscious and he's an absolute monster?
- JamesBarney 6y ago
  By non-consenting do you mean says no or didn't say yes?
  - sweetheart 6y ago
    They are the same.
stadium 6y ago
The guy was a predator, there was a clear pattern of sexual and emotional abuse.
- analognoise 6y ago
  "Predator" also implies the other party had no agency. It's this weird thing that keeps popping up...
  - stadium 6y ago
    Educate yourself on narcissistic abuse for more info.
    - analognoise 6y ago
      Thanks, I'll read up on it.
- grammarnazzzi 6y ago
  In her story. A story that paints him as responsible for everything including her feelings. Blaming behaviors are a marker of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. I'm obviously not qualified to diagnose either party, but a lot of the content of her article blames him for things he's not responsible for and that are completely out of his control. Furthermore, it seems the worst he's guilty of is being interested in having consensual sex with her. Whereas she's interested in destroying his livelihood and career.
  - stadium 6y ago
    > For example, when I confronted him in person about the episode in Berlin, he told me that I had lured him. His words left me scared, humiliated, and ashamed. I found myself self-doubting, distressed, and depressed. Ya from an armchair this does seem like classic narcissistic abuse. Mentor public figure in a position of power. Blame and gaslight the victim when confronted. Then shame the victim when she comes forward with her story.

sweetheart 6y ago

> then the women need to be treated like children and protected. Mate, no. This applies to men, women, nonbinary folks, non-human animals, etc. Literally any living thing. If you don't consent, anyone having sex with you is wrong. It's wrong if a man tries to have sex with a drunk, non-consenting person, and it's wrong if a women tries to have sex with a drunk, non-consenting person. This is the _opposite_ of making a decision for someone. It's recognizing that they kind of _can't_ make a decision, so you simply do nothing.

analognoise 6y ago
...so why is the part about them drinking in the story? They were consenting adults, both well within their senses? Or was she like unconscious and he's an absolute monster?
JamesBarney 6y ago
By non-consenting do you mean says no or didn't say yes?
- sweetheart 6y ago
  They are the same.

stadium 6y ago

The guy was a predator, there was a clear pattern of sexual and emotional abuse.

analognoise 6y ago
"Predator" also implies the other party had no agency. It's this weird thing that keeps popping up...
- stadium 6y ago
  Educate yourself on narcissistic abuse for more info.
  - analognoise 6y ago
    Thanks, I'll read up on it.
grammarnazzzi 6y ago
In her story. A story that paints him as responsible for everything including her feelings. Blaming behaviors are a marker of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. I'm obviously not qualified to diagnose either party, but a lot of the content of her article blames him for things he's not responsible for and that are completely out of his control. Furthermore, it seems the worst he's guilty of is being interested in having consensual sex with her. Whereas she's interested in destroying his livelihood and career.
- stadium 6y ago
  > For example, when I confronted him in person about the episode in Berlin, he told me that I had lured him. His words left me scared, humiliated, and ashamed. I found myself self-doubting, distressed, and depressed. Ya from an armchair this does seem like classic narcissistic abuse. Mentor public figure in a position of power. Blame and gaslight the victim when confronted. Then shame the victim when she comes forward with her story.