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US marks slowest population growth since the Depression

awat 5y ago
I used to have a professor who would say all the time “there is no such place as away”. Reading this article reminded me of that. The US has made a whole bunch of policy decisions to try to push things “away”. I think we are going to see more and more outputs like this in the future.
klyrs 5y ago
A little hard to square this with the rushed and constrained nature of the 2020 census. It was politicized and tied up in court, which delayed the beginning. Covid made it more difficult to properly run the census. Undocumented immigrants faced a FUD campaign, and were intimidated against participation. Then, the deadline to finish was was again politicized, tied up in court, extended, retracted. Was the 2020 census accurate enough to draw this conclusion?
- atopia 5y ago
  While your arguments make sense, is there any evidence to suggest that it was compromised?
  - klyrs 5y ago
    The thesis of my so-called argument is that I'm skeptical (that itself is rather irrefutable, but I did list reasons for my skepticism); I've yet to see comprehensive analysis of the census accuracy, and until I do, I'll continue to treat any conclusions drawn from the census with skepticism
    - newfriend 5y ago
      I think your skepticism is misplaced. This was the most secure census in history.
      - klyrs 5y ago
        What do you mean by "secure?" I said I'm skeptical that it was accurate. And willing to change my mind, if you've got a link to comprehensive analysis showing that it's accurate and didn't, say, systematically undercount undocumented immigrants.
- mxcrossb 5y ago
  It seems to me like the census is the wrong tool for the job described in the headline. I understand that a census makes sense for allocating seats, since it’s easy for citizens to understand and trust. Filling out the census is almost a political act. And indeed most of the article is about apportioning of reps. But if I want to know how many people there are, surely there are more accurate approaches?

awat 5y ago

I used to have a professor who would say all the time “there is no such place as away”. Reading this article reminded me of that. The US has made a whole bunch of policy decisions to try to push things “away”. I think we are going to see more and more outputs like this in the future.

klyrs 5y ago

A little hard to square this with the rushed and constrained nature of the 2020 census. It was politicized and tied up in court, which delayed the beginning. Covid made it more difficult to properly run the census. Undocumented immigrants faced a FUD campaign, and were intimidated against participation. Then, the deadline to finish was was again politicized, tied up in court, extended, retracted. Was the 2020 census accurate enough to draw this conclusion?

atopia 5y ago
While your arguments make sense, is there any evidence to suggest that it was compromised?
- klyrs 5y ago
  The thesis of my so-called argument is that I'm skeptical (that itself is rather irrefutable, but I did list reasons for my skepticism); I've yet to see comprehensive analysis of the census accuracy, and until I do, I'll continue to treat any conclusions drawn from the census with skepticism
  - newfriend 5y ago
    I think your skepticism is misplaced. This was the most secure census in history.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      What do you mean by "secure?" I said I'm skeptical that it was accurate. And willing to change my mind, if you've got a link to comprehensive analysis showing that it's accurate and didn't, say, systematically undercount undocumented immigrants.
mxcrossb 5y ago
It seems to me like the census is the wrong tool for the job described in the headline. I understand that a census makes sense for allocating seats, since it’s easy for citizens to understand and trust. Filling out the census is almost a political act. And indeed most of the article is about apportioning of reps. But if I want to know how many people there are, surely there are more accurate approaches?