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> class bias is never addressed at all You see this a lot in online forums, e.g. a person will blithely mock "wal-mart shoppers" or "rednecks" without rebuke a

> class bias is never addressed at all You see this a lot in online forums, e.g. a person will blithely mock "wal-mart shoppers" or "rednecks" without rebuke and then jump down your throat with "white privilege" if they perceive the slightest possiblity of you questioning a racial bias claim.

newacct583 6y ago
Interestingly, I see some of the former in online forums. I see a decent amount of the latter, both with and without justification. I've never in my life seen a single poster do that. You have a cite demonstrating this happens "a lot"? This sounds like a strawman. You're taking a criticism often made (again, not without justification) against "your side" and arguing against it by charging the "other side" with hipocrisy despite the fact that e.g. the /r/FloridaMan community has almost no overlap with woke SJWs (or even the surburban families in my neighborhood with BLM signs in their yards).
- kodah 6y ago
  You can search my username and the word "redneck" and you'll find one. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=kodah%20redneck&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25702815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25702815
  - ingleswood 6y ago
    Reading the thread shows a very different story to the one in the GGP. Another poster describes the Capitol riot as a "day-out for rednecks". You say "there aren't many rednecks in San Diego" and the other poster replies to say that they believe there are a lot of 'rural conservatives' around San Diego. Then you accuse them of using a slur, although it's not really clear if you are rebuking him for calling Capitol rioters 'rednecks' or for accusing rednecks of being Capitol rioters. I don't see where that poster told someone off for using racist slurs, but I believe you that it happened. Not sure this is even one example of what was claimed above to happen 'a lot'?
    - kodah 6y ago
      A redneck is usually a white, working class person of meager means. This is how I've known the term growing up. What the commenter I originally replied to was doing was using the term to refer to white people, any white person. When I pointed out that a good portion of the people in the article are from San Diego (I followed a doxxing thread on Reddit during this, nearly all of these people were business owners or people of means), another person tried to reframe the original posters context as "rural conservative". Again, pretty plainly misses the mark, and again, the people in that article are not rural at all. They live in this city, where it costs $600k to get a basic house. One of them owned a coffee shop of all businesses. I don't know about you, but I generally do not see people who call themselves rednecks opening coffee shops in the middle of a major city. I can't speak to the frequency that this happens. The person I responded to in this thread claimed they'd never seen it, so I linked to an instance of it that I remembered.
      - ingleswood 6y ago
        I mean I agree with you that it was wrong to use the word 'rednecks' to refer to people protesting at the Capitol. However this doesn't seem at all to be an example of what the other poster claimed, of people who loudly object to racial slurs and yet 'mock rednecks and Wal-mart shoppers'?
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        kodah 6y ago
        SJW and "woke" are nebulous terms with grass-roots participation. Personally, I don't know how you can establish patterns of grass-roots groups without extensive research and observation, which does not happen today. It seems like a fruitless conversation to have because any time you accuse any grass-roots group of something people will say things like: - that's not a group - they're not affiliated with x - anyone can join - no true Scotsman - not enough data Plausible deniability is built-in. That's why I only responded to the bit about frequency, because someone saying it never happens is quite surprising, someone implying it's a norm is equally surprising, at least to me.

newacct583 6y ago

Interestingly, I see some of the former in online forums. I see a decent amount of the latter, both with and without justification. I've never in my life seen a single poster do that. You have a cite demonstrating this happens "a lot"? This sounds like a strawman. You're taking a criticism often made (again, not without justification) against "your side" and arguing against it by charging the "other side" with hipocrisy despite the fact that e.g. the /r/FloridaMan community has almost no overlap with woke SJWs (or even the surburban families in my neighborhood with BLM signs in their yards).

kodah 6y ago
You can search my username and the word "redneck" and you'll find one. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=kodah%20redneck&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25702815 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25702815
- ingleswood 6y ago
  Reading the thread shows a very different story to the one in the GGP. Another poster describes the Capitol riot as a "day-out for rednecks". You say "there aren't many rednecks in San Diego" and the other poster replies to say that they believe there are a lot of 'rural conservatives' around San Diego. Then you accuse them of using a slur, although it's not really clear if you are rebuking him for calling Capitol rioters 'rednecks' or for accusing rednecks of being Capitol rioters. I don't see where that poster told someone off for using racist slurs, but I believe you that it happened. Not sure this is even one example of what was claimed above to happen 'a lot'?
  - kodah 6y ago
    A redneck is usually a white, working class person of meager means. This is how I've known the term growing up. What the commenter I originally replied to was doing was using the term to refer to white people, any white person. When I pointed out that a good portion of the people in the article are from San Diego (I followed a doxxing thread on Reddit during this, nearly all of these people were business owners or people of means), another person tried to reframe the original posters context as "rural conservative". Again, pretty plainly misses the mark, and again, the people in that article are not rural at all. They live in this city, where it costs $600k to get a basic house. One of them owned a coffee shop of all businesses. I don't know about you, but I generally do not see people who call themselves rednecks opening coffee shops in the middle of a major city. I can't speak to the frequency that this happens. The person I responded to in this thread claimed they'd never seen it, so I linked to an instance of it that I remembered.
    - ingleswood 6y ago
      I mean I agree with you that it was wrong to use the word 'rednecks' to refer to people protesting at the Capitol. However this doesn't seem at all to be an example of what the other poster claimed, of people who loudly object to racial slurs and yet 'mock rednecks and Wal-mart shoppers'?
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      - kodah 6y ago
        SJW and "woke" are nebulous terms with grass-roots participation. Personally, I don't know how you can establish patterns of grass-roots groups without extensive research and observation, which does not happen today. It seems like a fruitless conversation to have because any time you accuse any grass-roots group of something people will say things like: - that's not a group - they're not affiliated with x - anyone can join - no true Scotsman - not enough data Plausible deniability is built-in. That's why I only responded to the bit about frequency, because someone saying it never happens is quite surprising, someone implying it's a norm is equally surprising, at least to me.