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I like that but race and gender blind admissions will lead to a huge number of East Asian males which won't be tolerated.

booleandilemma 5y ago
Why would it lead to a huge number of East Asian males?
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  Universities use an unblinded selection process as a way to intentionally handicap East Asians (and to a slightly lesser extent, white people). Their proportion in enrolment has been trending down steadily over time and has converged to be nearly identical across all the top universities (except for Caltech) which suggests they're all silently colluding (by copying each others' quotas) to keep the Asian enrolment percentage at precisely the depressed X percent. Private companies don't have such explicit Asian quotas in place but the spirit of affirmative action is to handicap Asian men and white men in the interview process. Google does this by making the interview process easier for non majority groups. If you can't apply the handicap then it follows that the majority groups proportions will increase. Of course, the counter argument is that implicit bias and so on will mean the opposite will occur. But empirically that isn't what has happened in universities, and so I have no reason to expect it to happen in private hiring either.
  - tylerhou 5y ago
    > suggests they're all silently colluding (by copying each others' quotas) to keep the Asian enrolment percentage at precisely the depressed X percent. You need more evidence than a trend to claim that there is a conspiracy. And you can look the data & admissions guidelines publicly released in SFFA v. Harvard to see that there is no evidence that quotas exist. > Google does this by making the interview process easier for non majority groups. Uh, but it doesn't. Speaking as someone who has interviewed 30+ candidates at Google and been present at hiring committees, there is no "lowering of the bar" for people of certain races.
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booleandilemma 5y ago

Why would it lead to a huge number of East Asian males?

fighterpilot 5y ago
Universities use an unblinded selection process as a way to intentionally handicap East Asians (and to a slightly lesser extent, white people). Their proportion in enrolment has been trending down steadily over time and has converged to be nearly identical across all the top universities (except for Caltech) which suggests they're all silently colluding (by copying each others' quotas) to keep the Asian enrolment percentage at precisely the depressed X percent. Private companies don't have such explicit Asian quotas in place but the spirit of affirmative action is to handicap Asian men and white men in the interview process. Google does this by making the interview process easier for non majority groups. If you can't apply the handicap then it follows that the majority groups proportions will increase. Of course, the counter argument is that implicit bias and so on will mean the opposite will occur. But empirically that isn't what has happened in universities, and so I have no reason to expect it to happen in private hiring either.
- tylerhou 5y ago
  > suggests they're all silently colluding (by copying each others' quotas) to keep the Asian enrolment percentage at precisely the depressed X percent. You need more evidence than a trend to claim that there is a conspiracy. And you can look the data & admissions guidelines publicly released in SFFA v. Harvard to see that there is no evidence that quotas exist. > Google does this by making the interview process easier for non majority groups. Uh, but it doesn't. Speaking as someone who has interviewed 30+ candidates at Google and been present at hiring committees, there is no "lowering of the bar" for people of certain races.
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