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You can rent a xeon server w 32 gb ram with gigabit internet and SSD for $30/mo from hetzner. Or spend $600 and get an always-on home PC that you can vnc to wi

You can rent a xeon server w 32 gb ram with gigabit internet and SSD for $30/mo from hetzner. Or spend $600 and get an always-on home PC that you can vnc to with your hi speed connection On the other hand, if this catches on, then i can see people airbnb-ing their servers on the third hand, if this catches on , users will soon realize they can spend the $30 to buy the extra RAM they re missing

ben174 6y ago
If Elon catches wind of this we'll have robo-PC-taxi service soon.
quadrature 6y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  you don't scare me! there are such comments about everything that has ever launched and the vast majority of them were right ;)
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Well, that's one of the points. It's easy and trivial to come up with the downsides of something. There are already a bunch of people trying to do that in every thread. Might as well exercise the less-used part of the brain where you try to imagine the positive aspects of something.
    - cblconfederate 6y ago
      I would care if i knew the buzz around these things is organic or genuine. Yet this thing popped simultaneously on my twitter , hn and elsewhere, clearly some marketing machine is pushing it. Overall though, technology that reduces the options of the user and gatekeeps is always net negative imho.
  - simcop2387 6y ago
    "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame" https://m.slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod https://m.slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases... My favorite example
    - cblconfederate 6y ago
      i like how nobody is addressing my original points
  - 2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
    I agree. People just point to the exceptions and not the vast majority of products and businesses that failed. That drop box comment was a bit off since having an offsite backup of your most important data and having it available across all your devices is super useful. However I see where he was coming from. I still have on site backups. And most of the time that’s way cheaper for massive backups. $30-50 USD for browser inception? If I had my entire environment there I could see the usefulness. But the browser alone? I see some comments where people are already paying. Who is using this?
  - quadrature 6y ago
    wasn't trying to !. Also you're absolutely right, mighty might fail as a consumer application. But rigging together a very complicated system of software will definitely fail as a product for these people.
- pmontra 6y ago
  BTW, Dropbox was huge when it launched and everybody was using it. I don't know anybody using it anymore. Maybe it's because people are using less desktop programs and more browser apps and apps in their mobile devices. So, less "explicit" files?
  - dd36 6y ago
    Competition.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  You're right to point to this, but I feel the comparison is much more "unfair" in the Dropbox case. FTP+SVN (lol) is not even close to the experience Dropbox gives. In the case of Mighty the experience is known. It is Chrome, just faster. Sure, someone might prefer to use Mighty, fair enough, but there's no "extra magic"
- ebin123 6y ago
  https://zedshaw.com/blog/2018-03-25-the-billionaires-vs-brandonm https://zedshaw.com/blog/2018-03-25-the-billionaires-vs-bran...
  - Zarel 6y ago
    I'm confused by how hostile Zed thinks Drew is being here. He quotes a post from Drew thanking Brandon for his remarks, and spends the rest of the essay saying the thanking is an uncalled-for "level of retribution", "effective slander case". But both exchanges between Drew and Brandon (the one in 2007 as well as the one in 2018) seem friendly to me. My impression is that when linking to Brandon's post, people are usually saying "a company can still succeed by offering something that was previously possible, by making it easier to do" and "don't be discouraged by criticism saying it's already possible". They're not saying that Brandon was a bad person or that his feedback wasn't useful or anything. Zed also makes a big deal about Brandon not being able to delete his post - but I remember dang mentioning that they would delete posts when asked, but everyone so far has agreed to a compromise of removing the username but keeping the post, which does seem like the best solution in a case like this (where the content of the post has historical value but the author might want to disavow it).
    - runj__ 6y ago
      Sorry about replying to a week old post but your link and post really made me think: I think the initial HN comment was justified albeit a bit nerdy, the marketing was just poor at the time. Not being able to delete a post is sort of a problem with all written media, the internet is not your group of friends at a bar. Being able to distance yourself from something that you've previously said might be a solution, an "I stand corrected" button might be a solution. Perhaps just being able to add a strikethough to an old post.
- qshaman 6y ago
  You can reference the same link on every Show HN ever posted here. Is not the "i gotcha" argument you think it is.
thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
Why would someone want to do all that instead of paying this company $30/month? There are lots of people who's jobs are spent in a web browser. Your examples aren't selling a solution to a problem–they are just tools. Which is fine and great for people who need them, but I simply wanted a faster browser, I'd rather use a service that is dedicated to that purpose.
- Bancakes 6y ago
  Because inevitably someone will make a FOSS version of this service and post a one-click docker image.
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  i think the main selling point is the always-on browser, not a faster browser. i dont know what demand there is for faster browsers, if speed was a big deal i think most web apps would have moved to native, but almost none of them do. People who use beefy web apps are likely capable of setting up their own server which could double as a terabyte of remote storage, file sharing, any self-hosted app really. I m sure the makers have done their research and found $30/month is the optimal price of a browser of a browser. Surely a lot of businesses will be convinced it's worth the money because $bigCorp uses it as well, and cargo cults work, I'm just pointing out what money can buy at that price point. Then someone might figure that they can rent servers for $30 /mo and sell 10 remote desktop subscriptions on it.
  - senojretep356 6y ago
    I think browser speed is a big issue. The BBC loses an additional 10% of users for every extra second it takes for its site to load. And when Yahoo! reduced its page load time by just 0.4 seconds, traffic increased by 9% 1 second delay reduces customer satisfaction by 16% The longer a webpage takes to load, the more its bounce rate will skyrocket.
    - msh 6y ago
      How new are that data?

ben174 6y ago

If Elon catches wind of this we'll have robo-PC-taxi service soon.

quadrature 6y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

cblconfederate 6y ago
you don't scare me! there are such comments about everything that has ever launched and the vast majority of them were right ;)
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Well, that's one of the points. It's easy and trivial to come up with the downsides of something. There are already a bunch of people trying to do that in every thread. Might as well exercise the less-used part of the brain where you try to imagine the positive aspects of something.
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    I would care if i knew the buzz around these things is organic or genuine. Yet this thing popped simultaneously on my twitter , hn and elsewhere, clearly some marketing machine is pushing it. Overall though, technology that reduces the options of the user and gatekeeps is always net negative imho.
- simcop2387 6y ago
  "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame" https://m.slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod https://m.slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases... My favorite example
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    i like how nobody is addressing my original points
- 2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
  I agree. People just point to the exceptions and not the vast majority of products and businesses that failed. That drop box comment was a bit off since having an offsite backup of your most important data and having it available across all your devices is super useful. However I see where he was coming from. I still have on site backups. And most of the time that’s way cheaper for massive backups. $30-50 USD for browser inception? If I had my entire environment there I could see the usefulness. But the browser alone? I see some comments where people are already paying. Who is using this?
- quadrature 6y ago
  wasn't trying to !. Also you're absolutely right, mighty might fail as a consumer application. But rigging together a very complicated system of software will definitely fail as a product for these people.
pmontra 6y ago
BTW, Dropbox was huge when it launched and everybody was using it. I don't know anybody using it anymore. Maybe it's because people are using less desktop programs and more browser apps and apps in their mobile devices. So, less "explicit" files?
- dd36 6y ago
  Competition.
raverbashing 6y ago
You're right to point to this, but I feel the comparison is much more "unfair" in the Dropbox case. FTP+SVN (lol) is not even close to the experience Dropbox gives. In the case of Mighty the experience is known. It is Chrome, just faster. Sure, someone might prefer to use Mighty, fair enough, but there's no "extra magic"
ebin123 6y ago
https://zedshaw.com/blog/2018-03-25-the-billionaires-vs-brandonm https://zedshaw.com/blog/2018-03-25-the-billionaires-vs-bran...
- Zarel 6y ago
  I'm confused by how hostile Zed thinks Drew is being here. He quotes a post from Drew thanking Brandon for his remarks, and spends the rest of the essay saying the thanking is an uncalled-for "level of retribution", "effective slander case". But both exchanges between Drew and Brandon (the one in 2007 as well as the one in 2018) seem friendly to me. My impression is that when linking to Brandon's post, people are usually saying "a company can still succeed by offering something that was previously possible, by making it easier to do" and "don't be discouraged by criticism saying it's already possible". They're not saying that Brandon was a bad person or that his feedback wasn't useful or anything. Zed also makes a big deal about Brandon not being able to delete his post - but I remember dang mentioning that they would delete posts when asked, but everyone so far has agreed to a compromise of removing the username but keeping the post, which does seem like the best solution in a case like this (where the content of the post has historical value but the author might want to disavow it).
  - runj__ 6y ago
    Sorry about replying to a week old post but your link and post really made me think: I think the initial HN comment was justified albeit a bit nerdy, the marketing was just poor at the time. Not being able to delete a post is sort of a problem with all written media, the internet is not your group of friends at a bar. Being able to distance yourself from something that you've previously said might be a solution, an "I stand corrected" button might be a solution. Perhaps just being able to add a strikethough to an old post.
qshaman 6y ago
You can reference the same link on every Show HN ever posted here. Is not the "i gotcha" argument you think it is.

thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago

Why would someone want to do all that instead of paying this company $30/month? There are lots of people who's jobs are spent in a web browser. Your examples aren't selling a solution to a problem–they are just tools. Which is fine and great for people who need them, but I simply wanted a faster browser, I'd rather use a service that is dedicated to that purpose.

Bancakes 6y ago
Because inevitably someone will make a FOSS version of this service and post a one-click docker image.
cblconfederate 6y ago
i think the main selling point is the always-on browser, not a faster browser. i dont know what demand there is for faster browsers, if speed was a big deal i think most web apps would have moved to native, but almost none of them do. People who use beefy web apps are likely capable of setting up their own server which could double as a terabyte of remote storage, file sharing, any self-hosted app really. I m sure the makers have done their research and found $30/month is the optimal price of a browser of a browser. Surely a lot of businesses will be convinced it's worth the money because $bigCorp uses it as well, and cargo cults work, I'm just pointing out what money can buy at that price point. Then someone might figure that they can rent servers for $30 /mo and sell 10 remote desktop subscriptions on it.
- senojretep356 6y ago
  I think browser speed is a big issue. The BBC loses an additional 10% of users for every extra second it takes for its site to load. And when Yahoo! reduced its page load time by just 0.4 seconds, traffic increased by 9% 1 second delay reduces customer satisfaction by 16% The longer a webpage takes to load, the more its bounce rate will skyrocket.
  - msh 6y ago
    How new are that data?