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If you can’t run your business because you can’t afford to offer a fair wage your business is not sustainable.

fxtentacle 5y ago
Or you need VC money ;) Is Uber still losing money?
tharne 5y ago
The original commenter's point (I think) is that the government is inflating wages by giving money away for free. It's easy to tell others to pay higher wages when it's not your money or your business.
- lupire 5y ago
  That's fine; if you shutter your below unemployment wage business, you can get unemployment wages too.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    For a few months, then what? It's like a monopoly dumping prices until you go out of business. Then once you are out of business, the free money faucet stops.
kokanator 5y ago
So it is ok for the government, through their spending power, to make your business unsustainable where it was in fact very sustainable pre-covid? [0][1] First they shutdown the businesses because of COVID and then they make it too expensive to reopen them. And your tax dollars and your children's tax dollars have made it all possible. For those who do not own a business, would it be alright if the government came and took your job from you which caused you to loose your home and savings without any compensation or a way to regain the loses you incurred? It is really no different. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/it-pays-to-stay-unemployed-that-might-be-a-good-thing.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/it-pays-to-stay-unemployed-t... [1]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-getting-more-money-from-unemployment-than-they-were-from-their-jobs/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-gett...
- bsder 5y ago
  > So it is ok for the government, through their spending power, to make your business unsustainable where it was in fact very sustainable pre-covid? Okay, I'll bite on this: "Yes. It is." Was your business paying healthcare? No? Then no sympathy. Were your employees getting public assistance? Yes? Then no sympathy. I can go on. These are not "sustainable" businesses without external funding in the form of social benefit programs. The lack of movement in the minimum wage has allowed FAR too many businesses to abuse employees while pocketing the profit. The restaurant sector is particularly egregious with their exceptions. Outsourcing is also particularly egregious in things like "cleaning staff" where the hired contracting company simply can't do the job without violating even the horribly low minimum wage. If unemployment benefits pay better than your job, that says something about the employer, not the unemployment benefits.
  - kokanator 5y ago
    I assume your are stating that putting businesses out of business will solve either of these issues? More competition for workers increases wages not the other way around. If you decrease the number of competitors for labor in a market the cost of labor will actually decrease since there will be less employers for workers to seek out better opportunities. This is simple supply and demand. What we have in this case is what happens at times in the commodities market ( before you bash me, no people are NOT commodities but the example serves ). Short sighted thinking may tell a government to for instance buy 25% of the corn from the market ( or force ethanol into gas ) to create an artificial raise in the price of corn. However, in the long term farmers will plant more corn and the price of corn will soon tank from oversupply. What we have here is the government removing employees from the employment market to force wages higher. The problem is that it is not sustainable ( remember the businesses creating tax revenue to pay for it are now out of business ). Eventually those unemployed workers will be forced back into the labor market ( just like the extra corn ) and there won't be enough jobs for the number of workers and labor prices and benefits will tank. Helping people through the COVID pandemic was necessary and appropriate. Using that as an excuse to restructure the market seems like bad timing. "If unemployment benefits pay better than your job, that says something about the employer, not the unemployment benefits." This is a rare situation. It used to be you received about 80% of your wage on unemployment. Now you can make as much as 200% your wage on unemployment. Remember unemployment benefits were intended to catch you if you experienced a crisis not sustain you for the long haul.
missedthecue 5y ago
"If your small business can't make revenue faster than the federal reserve can print new money, you shouldn't be in business"

Or you need VC money ;) Is Uber still losing money?

The original commenter's point (I think) is that the government is inflating wages by giving money away for free. It's easy to tell others to pay higher wages when it's not your money or your business.

lupire 5y ago
That's fine; if you shutter your below unemployment wage business, you can get unemployment wages too.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  For a few months, then what? It's like a monopoly dumping prices until you go out of business. Then once you are out of business, the free money faucet stops.

kokanator 5y ago

So it is ok for the government, through their spending power, to make your business unsustainable where it was in fact very sustainable pre-covid? [0][1] First they shutdown the businesses because of COVID and then they make it too expensive to reopen them. And your tax dollars and your children's tax dollars have made it all possible. For those who do not own a business, would it be alright if the government came and took your job from you which caused you to loose your home and savings without any compensation or a way to regain the loses you incurred? It is really no different. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/it-pays-to-stay-unemployed-that-might-be-a-good-thing.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/09/it-pays-to-stay-unemployed-t... [1]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-getting-more-money-from-unemployment-than-they-were-from-their-jobs/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/many-americans-are-gett...

bsder 5y ago
> So it is ok for the government, through their spending power, to make your business unsustainable where it was in fact very sustainable pre-covid? Okay, I'll bite on this: "Yes. It is." Was your business paying healthcare? No? Then no sympathy. Were your employees getting public assistance? Yes? Then no sympathy. I can go on. These are not "sustainable" businesses without external funding in the form of social benefit programs. The lack of movement in the minimum wage has allowed FAR too many businesses to abuse employees while pocketing the profit. The restaurant sector is particularly egregious with their exceptions. Outsourcing is also particularly egregious in things like "cleaning staff" where the hired contracting company simply can't do the job without violating even the horribly low minimum wage. If unemployment benefits pay better than your job, that says something about the employer, not the unemployment benefits.
- kokanator 5y ago
  I assume your are stating that putting businesses out of business will solve either of these issues? More competition for workers increases wages not the other way around. If you decrease the number of competitors for labor in a market the cost of labor will actually decrease since there will be less employers for workers to seek out better opportunities. This is simple supply and demand. What we have in this case is what happens at times in the commodities market ( before you bash me, no people are NOT commodities but the example serves ). Short sighted thinking may tell a government to for instance buy 25% of the corn from the market ( or force ethanol into gas ) to create an artificial raise in the price of corn. However, in the long term farmers will plant more corn and the price of corn will soon tank from oversupply. What we have here is the government removing employees from the employment market to force wages higher. The problem is that it is not sustainable ( remember the businesses creating tax revenue to pay for it are now out of business ). Eventually those unemployed workers will be forced back into the labor market ( just like the extra corn ) and there won't be enough jobs for the number of workers and labor prices and benefits will tank. Helping people through the COVID pandemic was necessary and appropriate. Using that as an excuse to restructure the market seems like bad timing. "If unemployment benefits pay better than your job, that says something about the employer, not the unemployment benefits." This is a rare situation. It used to be you received about 80% of your wage on unemployment. Now you can make as much as 200% your wage on unemployment. Remember unemployment benefits were intended to catch you if you experienced a crisis not sustain you for the long haul.

missedthecue 5y ago

"If your small business can't make revenue faster than the federal reserve can print new money, you shouldn't be in business"