I understand that point, but I'm saying the West is not irrelevant ("Has it though" as in, "has it become irrelevant though"). The 'woe is me' is strong in this

I understand that point, but I'm saying the West is not irrelevant ("Has it though" as in, "has it become irrelevant though"). The 'woe is me' is strong in this thread, but the solution is at worst 10 years away if Western governments put their backs into beginning the long process today.