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> imagine Bellingcat being vocal of anything that happens within FVEY Yes, imagine if they covered things in the US: https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/usa/ https

> imagine Bellingcat being vocal of anything that happens within FVEY Yes, imagine if they covered things in the US: https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/usa/ https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/usa/ Ex: "US Law Enforcement Are Deliberately Targeting Journalists During George Floyd Protests" https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2020/05/31/us-law-enforcement-are-deliberately-targeting-journalists-during-george-floyd-protests/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2020/05/31/us-law-e...

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
all of the reports are pretty tame in comparison with what they could uncover in war zones that involve the US. Taking a swing at US LEA is hardly something to write home about. Until they give me scoops at an equal magnitude say something that shows US black sites still in operation, or another Abu Ghraib or something about Gitmo? Nobody really cares about US racist cops - that's stuff that is anyway covered by WaPo & NYT. Give me something of the same magnitude that got exposed by Manning, Snowden or Assange and I will be happy to believe that they are "neutral". But oh wait - they'd be in exile or dead. So my point stands.
- strictnein 6y ago
  Nah. Not interested in playing your game. You stated X, I showed X was incorrect. Now you're moving the goalposts, which was fully expected. One of the strongest messages the US sends abroad is that the 1st amendment is sacrosanct. Highlighting law enforcement violently suppressing that is extremely damaging to America's reputation.
  - DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
    I'm not playing any game. the goal post is not to compare apples with oranges. if the position is that Bellingcat (which markets itself as a citizen journalist type of outfit) is independent as they claim then they should be measured as such. Nobody is moving any goalposts. Your assertion that they are independent but also are unable to highlight crimes committed by the US then they are simply not independent. FWIW I'm not highlighting any side being bad or good but that the claim of independence needs to be viewed in relation to their alliances.
    - voces 6y ago
      As far as I can see: Bellingcat is laundromat for Mossad, after WikiLeaks became laundromat for Russian intelligence. They still are a citizen journalist type of outfit, they don't take direct funding from government orgs. But they have to suspect some of their anonymous analysis contributors are working with a state agenda and resources. As a result, Bellingcat unlikely to go after Israelis in Gaza, but more likely to go after ISIS terrorists, Syria, Russia. WikiLeaks more likely to focus on US politics and NATO, than to look at Putin's finances or Russian banks. But then all of advanced journalism becomes murkey, as you can be independant, while only looking at what your anonymous sources give you. Is NYT or WP independant when it runs an article on national security by the CIA or DoD for censorship, and securing those future juicy leads?

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

all of the reports are pretty tame in comparison with what they could uncover in war zones that involve the US. Taking a swing at US LEA is hardly something to write home about. Until they give me scoops at an equal magnitude say something that shows US black sites still in operation, or another Abu Ghraib or something about Gitmo? Nobody really cares about US racist cops - that's stuff that is anyway covered by WaPo & NYT. Give me something of the same magnitude that got exposed by Manning, Snowden or Assange and I will be happy to believe that they are "neutral". But oh wait - they'd be in exile or dead. So my point stands.

strictnein 6y ago
Nah. Not interested in playing your game. You stated X, I showed X was incorrect. Now you're moving the goalposts, which was fully expected. One of the strongest messages the US sends abroad is that the 1st amendment is sacrosanct. Highlighting law enforcement violently suppressing that is extremely damaging to America's reputation.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  I'm not playing any game. the goal post is not to compare apples with oranges. if the position is that Bellingcat (which markets itself as a citizen journalist type of outfit) is independent as they claim then they should be measured as such. Nobody is moving any goalposts. Your assertion that they are independent but also are unable to highlight crimes committed by the US then they are simply not independent. FWIW I'm not highlighting any side being bad or good but that the claim of independence needs to be viewed in relation to their alliances.
  - voces 6y ago
    As far as I can see: Bellingcat is laundromat for Mossad, after WikiLeaks became laundromat for Russian intelligence. They still are a citizen journalist type of outfit, they don't take direct funding from government orgs. But they have to suspect some of their anonymous analysis contributors are working with a state agenda and resources. As a result, Bellingcat unlikely to go after Israelis in Gaza, but more likely to go after ISIS terrorists, Syria, Russia. WikiLeaks more likely to focus on US politics and NATO, than to look at Putin's finances or Russian banks. But then all of advanced journalism becomes murkey, as you can be independant, while only looking at what your anonymous sources give you. Is NYT or WP independant when it runs an article on national security by the CIA or DoD for censorship, and securing those future juicy leads?