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Print debugging is sometimes acceptable. Scrubbing dishes with your fingertips totally works, but we all have dishwashers. Dish–washing machines are way better
by db48x 6y ago
Print debugging is sometimes acceptable. Scrubbing dishes with your fingertips totally works, but we all have dishwashers. Dish–washing machines are way better than scrubbing manually, with your fingers or with anything else. Load the dishwasher, then go do literally anything else while the dishes are washed. Even if all you do is go watch television, you will be better off just because you didn’t stand there scrubbing dishes by hand for an hour. More human potential has been wasted by drudgery than by any other cause.
Print debugging is like scrubbing dishes by hand, and neglecting your dishwasher.
Pernsoco is like those commercial dishwashers that blast the dishes with super–heated steam to wash them in a few minutes instead of 45.
- akvadrako 6y agoI don't have a dishwasher and it isn't because of cost or space. I just don't think they are worth it unless you save up dirty dishes for a few days. If you wash everything right away it's easier to not use the dishwasher, especially with a good sized drying rack for easy reuse of common items. I suppose I feel the same way with print debugging. Mostly that's all I need and the problems I have which would benefit from better tools are rare enough and diverse enough it isn't worth investing time in them.
- dcow 6y agoDishwashers are better for the environment. There’s even a new Bosch model with a passive heating element (crazy) for the dry cycle. Perhaps if you live solo and don’t do much cooking you don’t need a dishwasher. But even in that cases I’d bet you’re better off running say a half load once a day.
- akvadrako 6y agoI've heard that before but I doubt it. The embodied energy in a dishwasher installation will certainly take a while to recoup and it would depend a lot on how one measures hand washing. Anyway I don't really care about some insignificant "environment" difference - the affect on daily convenience far outweighs it.
- pa7ch 6y agoJust speaking personally, if I cared enough about efficiency to get a dishwasher, I'd rather instead have a bigger sink and setup a wash and rinse bin for dishes. Its the classic way to preserve water at a campsite when doing lots of dishes. A tub setup would be more environmentally friendly considering the resources put into a dishwasher these days. Certainly drying via a towel is better then an electric heater.
- dcow 6y agoModern dishwashers recycle water. I’m not sure a wash/rinse setup actually uses less water. I guess it depends on how big the sink is and how much water you fill it with. The Bosch passive heating element is really neat btw and avoids electric heating.
- db48x 6y agoSure, if you live alone and don’t cook, then washing dishes by hand won’t take very long. Maybe it’ll take less time than loading the dishwasher. But that’s a fairly uncommon scenario, I think. Most people cook dinner for their family, and then have a whole dishwasher full of dishes to wash every single night.
- kwdc 6y agoInterestingly, its good to be uncommon. In my household, the one who cooks does not wash up the plates etc. We don't have a dishwasher. Many hands make light work. We call this "social cleaning".
- falcolas 6y ago> Dish–washing machines are way better than scrubbing manually Oh hell no they aren't. They're terrible at handling anything that's dried on plates. I've never found a dishwasher that could clean truly dirty plates. NEVER. Even if you run them ten times in a row.
- dcow 6y agoMaybe you haven't tried recently. They’re pretty good now.
- db48x 6y agoThat’s true, though leaving plates with food on them to dry out is a bad idea. Run them through the dishwasher sooner rather than later! Of course I’m as lazy as the next person; there are dishes in my sink right now that could be put in the dishwasher, if only someone would empty the dishwasher of the dishes I washed the other day…
- occz 6y agoIt's mostly fine if you fill the pre-wash slot with detergent.
- db48x 6y agoTrue, though be aware that not all dishwashers have one. Mine just does a few repeated wash cycles with no detergent, then one with detergent, followed by a rinse and dry cycle. It’s not great, but since it’s not actually broken I can’t really justify tossing it. Even so, I can only recall one time where it didn’t get a baking dish fully clean. I just left it in the dishwasher and ran another load the next day and it was fine. Then I baked some more enchiladas in it.
- frosted-flakes 6y agoThe pre-wash detergent "slot" in my dishwasher is a slight depression labelled "Pre-wash" on the flap of the normal-wash detergent dispenser. In other words, just squirt a bit of detergent into the dishwasher (anywhere, it doesn't matter) before running it.
- cesarb 6y ago> Scrubbing dishes with your fingertips totally works, but we all have dishwashers. I don't have a dishwasher. I don't know anyone who has a dishwasher. Heck, I don't even think I've ever seen a dishwasher on any appliance store I've been to. Our apartment was built with space for a dishwasher and a clothes dryer, and I've always wondered why, because nobody I know personally has either of these appliances.
- db48x 6y agoHmm. I detect some hyperbole in your statement.
- cesarb 6y agoThere's no hyperbole (except perhaps in the part about appliance stores, it's possible that I have seen a dishwasher in one in the past and I'm just not remembering). I really have never seen anyone using a dishwasher or a clothes dryer, and I really do wonder why was my apartment built with space for both.
- berkes 6y agoI'm really curious where you live, because it sounds highly unlikely for any western country. I might imagine a Christian or Muslim (fundamentalist) society looking down on appliances that do 'womens work'. And I've spent some months in southafrican townships. Such places have no dishwashers. Or did not have them. I'm not trying to doxx you, or attempting to get people to post prviate info, but I would love to know your demographic.
- cesarb 6y ago> I'm really curious where you live Southeastern Brazil, in the Rio de Janeiro metropolitan area.
- db48x 6y agoAh, ok. I didn’t realize such places still existed. Around here, dishwashers are virtually ubiquitous. It’s actually more common for people to not have washing machines for clothes than to not have a dishwasher. People without their own washing machine can go to a laundromat, for example, or to a community–owned washing machine in their apartment complex. Even people who own washing machines will go to a laundromat for some things, like washing quilts or blankets, which require a larger machine. Meanwhile there are no equivalent places where you can take your dirty dishes to wash.