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I am wondering if there are some powerful biases in the algorithms, for example "cats" so you add a few small shadows that a human will not notice and the ANN w

I am wondering if there are some powerful biases in the algorithms, for example "cats" so you add a few small shadows that a human will not notice and the ANN will trigger "Cat" all the time. Then if they fix this you need to find all the other triggers that are hypersensitive and focus on targeting those. So you would add pixels in an image that trigger cat,car, bus, street etc . You will make the technology more expensive and harder to use by majority of bad actors.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
> You will make the technology more expensive and harder to use by majority of bad actors. It's software, mostly. People will share SOTA algorithms for free, like they do today. I don't think the cost for bad actors will rise much (and it's not like most of them have money problems). On the contrary, I imagine it'll just accelerate development of computer vision that reproduces human vision in a bug-compatible way. The only way to confuse it will be to make the image confusing to humans too.
- simion314 6y ago
  >It's software, mostly. People will share SOTA algorithms for free, like they do today. I don't think the cost for bad actors will rise much (and it's not like most of them have money problems). Can I get access to high quality voice recognition or text to speech software? The only way I know is to use cloud APIs to get access to latest and greatest.
  - mkl 6y ago
    The algorithms, yes (see e.g. wav2letter and others), but not the training data. Mozilla's Common Voice (https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en) is trying to make training data available, but proprietary systems can use that as well as the existing data advantage they have.
- naniwaduni 6y ago
  Most bad actors do have money problems, or at least are meaningfully resource-constrained. The really scary ones, sure, they may as well have resources: Yes. But that's almost the biggest part of what makes them scary.
91aintprime 6y ago
> You will make the technology more expensive and harder to use by majority of bad actors. I mean, we do have encryption, which is cheap for users and expensive for bad actors. The question is whether an analogue exists for AI. In a sense, there's three types of security: exponential, proportional, and logarithmic. Encryption strength is exponential, number of pins in a lock is proportional, and bug fixing may be logarithmic.
- geoduck14 6y ago
  What if we use DeepFakes to overwhelm the internet with pictures of people who don't exist? There by giving them LOTS of photos that have to be shifted through?
  - warkdarrior 6y ago
    That would require that all social media is flooded with fake pictures (maybe more than it already is) making the Internet less useful for humans too.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

> You will make the technology more expensive and harder to use by majority of bad actors. It's software, mostly. People will share SOTA algorithms for free, like they do today. I don't think the cost for bad actors will rise much (and it's not like most of them have money problems). On the contrary, I imagine it'll just accelerate development of computer vision that reproduces human vision in a bug-compatible way. The only way to confuse it will be to make the image confusing to humans too.

simion314 6y ago
>It's software, mostly. People will share SOTA algorithms for free, like they do today. I don't think the cost for bad actors will rise much (and it's not like most of them have money problems). Can I get access to high quality voice recognition or text to speech software? The only way I know is to use cloud APIs to get access to latest and greatest.
- mkl 6y ago
  The algorithms, yes (see e.g. wav2letter and others), but not the training data. Mozilla's Common Voice (https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en) is trying to make training data available, but proprietary systems can use that as well as the existing data advantage they have.
naniwaduni 6y ago
Most bad actors do have money problems, or at least are meaningfully resource-constrained. The really scary ones, sure, they may as well have resources: Yes. But that's almost the biggest part of what makes them scary.

91aintprime 6y ago

> You will make the technology more expensive and harder to use by majority of bad actors. I mean, we do have encryption, which is cheap for users and expensive for bad actors. The question is whether an analogue exists for AI. In a sense, there's three types of security: exponential, proportional, and logarithmic. Encryption strength is exponential, number of pins in a lock is proportional, and bug fixing may be logarithmic.

geoduck14 6y ago
What if we use DeepFakes to overwhelm the internet with pictures of people who don't exist? There by giving them LOTS of photos that have to be shifted through?
- warkdarrior 6y ago
  That would require that all social media is flooded with fake pictures (maybe more than it already is) making the Internet less useful for humans too.