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The pinephone does this, they call it "convergence". https://twitter.com/hadrianweb/status/1384548445579583489 https://twitter.com/hadrianweb/status/1384548445

The pinephone does this, they call it "convergence". https://twitter.com/hadrianweb/status/1384548445579583489 https://twitter.com/hadrianweb/status/1384548445579583489 https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package-linux-smartphone-open-for-preorder-soon/?v=0446c16e2e66 https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve... (be aware the pinephone software is still very much in beta, also sorry I couldn't find a better link then a few tweets)

Bancakes 5y ago
Does the pine phone still run at 5FPS and barely run youtube videos?
- kop316 5y ago
  ...no? Maybe that was the case when it first came out, but that hasn't been the case for a while.
  - Bancakes 5y ago
    I'd love to be filled in. I saw some videos of Manjaro which was dreadful (latest version). Ubuntu seemed to run fine until you do something performance intensive (for 2005 standards).
    - kop316 5y ago
      I'd advise you to look at the blogs of Pine64, PostmarketOS, and/or some of the other distros.
- fsflover 5y ago
  If you need more performance, consider Librem 5 instead.
- matsemann 5y ago
  What a loaded question.
- swiley 5y ago
  No. Even when it first came out you could just run an X11 WM on it and it would run in real time.
- megous 5y ago
  If you use acceleration it can play 1080p H264 videos at 60FPS. Any other questions?
kube-system 5y ago
Motorola also did it a decade ago. I remember seeing these at RadioShack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop The dock was a commercial failure.
- eloisant 5y ago
  Yes, so many people seems to be dreaming of that "phone that turns into a laptop" but I don't see it becoming a thing. It might have made sense 20 years ago when everything wasn't online and sharing files was a pain, but nowadays it makes more sense to have independent devices than a single phone/laptop/desktop. You need a screen+keyboard anyway, so why would you make that a dumb terminal instead of an independent device?
- Croftengea 5y ago
  Also, let's not forget Asus Transformer Book V, which is Android {phone|tablet|laptop} and Windows {tablet|laptop}, 5-in-1: https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_the_phone_that_was_a_tablet_that_was_a_laptop_that_failed-news-44213.php https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_the_phone_that_was_a_tabl...
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  I was always intrigued by the concept, but never really wanted to buy such a device for one simple reason: performance. Mobile phones, especially back then, don't exactly have great performance characteristics for desktop use. The Atrix has a 1GHz processor and 1GB of RAM, those were low specs for a cheap laptop even back then. The same problem still exists on the PinePhone and Ubuntu's attempt, and Microsoft's failed attempt to use Qualcom chips as mobile workstations have so far all failed. When it comes to powerful yet power-efficient chips, Apple simply has no real competitor. Sure, AMD and Intel can outperform the M1, in some cases even at similar power draws, but Apple has mastered the base and idle power draw and caching that give their devices such a great battery life during simple, normal use. With the processor unification, Apple may be able to provide a decent experience if they can think of a system that won't kill the battery (external battery the phone switches to?) and can cool the processor sufficiently while it's in a dock. Apple seems more than capable of solving those problems, if they'd want to. I'm 100% sure I won't buy an iPhoneBook because I strongly dislike Apple's operating systems and the way the company itself operates, but if Apple fans will buy the product, competitors should soon follow with a device I'd find acceptable to use. Maybe, by then, the Linux smartphone ecosystem has grown to the point where it's actually usable for day-to-day operations (unlike the Librem/Pinephone/pmOS in their current state).
mark_l_watson 5y ago
As kube-system said, Motorola had this, and Microsoft phone also tried to fill this niche. Personally, I would love to have everything in a phone, with a good docking system for my desk, interop with a living room large monitor, and of course supporting all the dev setups that I use. After seeing what functionality Apple packs into their Apple Watch, it seems like the tech exists for a ubiquitous phone device - if only there was a large enough market so a company like Apple, or a Linux based phone company to build it.

Bancakes 5y ago

Does the pine phone still run at 5FPS and barely run youtube videos?

kop316 5y ago
...no? Maybe that was the case when it first came out, but that hasn't been the case for a while.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  I'd love to be filled in. I saw some videos of Manjaro which was dreadful (latest version). Ubuntu seemed to run fine until you do something performance intensive (for 2005 standards).
  - kop316 5y ago
    I'd advise you to look at the blogs of Pine64, PostmarketOS, and/or some of the other distros.
fsflover 5y ago
If you need more performance, consider Librem 5 instead.
matsemann 5y ago
What a loaded question.
swiley 5y ago
No. Even when it first came out you could just run an X11 WM on it and it would run in real time.
megous 5y ago
If you use acceleration it can play 1080p H264 videos at 60FPS. Any other questions?

kube-system 5y ago

Motorola also did it a decade ago. I remember seeing these at RadioShack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop The dock was a commercial failure.

eloisant 5y ago
Yes, so many people seems to be dreaming of that "phone that turns into a laptop" but I don't see it becoming a thing. It might have made sense 20 years ago when everything wasn't online and sharing files was a pain, but nowadays it makes more sense to have independent devices than a single phone/laptop/desktop. You need a screen+keyboard anyway, so why would you make that a dumb terminal instead of an independent device?
Croftengea 5y ago
Also, let's not forget Asus Transformer Book V, which is Android {phone|tablet|laptop} and Windows {tablet|laptop}, 5-in-1: https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_the_phone_that_was_a_tablet_that_was_a_laptop_that_failed-news-44213.php https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_the_phone_that_was_a_tabl...
jeroenhd 5y ago
I was always intrigued by the concept, but never really wanted to buy such a device for one simple reason: performance. Mobile phones, especially back then, don't exactly have great performance characteristics for desktop use. The Atrix has a 1GHz processor and 1GB of RAM, those were low specs for a cheap laptop even back then. The same problem still exists on the PinePhone and Ubuntu's attempt, and Microsoft's failed attempt to use Qualcom chips as mobile workstations have so far all failed. When it comes to powerful yet power-efficient chips, Apple simply has no real competitor. Sure, AMD and Intel can outperform the M1, in some cases even at similar power draws, but Apple has mastered the base and idle power draw and caching that give their devices such a great battery life during simple, normal use. With the processor unification, Apple may be able to provide a decent experience if they can think of a system that won't kill the battery (external battery the phone switches to?) and can cool the processor sufficiently while it's in a dock. Apple seems more than capable of solving those problems, if they'd want to. I'm 100% sure I won't buy an iPhoneBook because I strongly dislike Apple's operating systems and the way the company itself operates, but if Apple fans will buy the product, competitors should soon follow with a device I'd find acceptable to use. Maybe, by then, the Linux smartphone ecosystem has grown to the point where it's actually usable for day-to-day operations (unlike the Librem/Pinephone/pmOS in their current state).

mark_l_watson 5y ago

As kube-system said, Motorola had this, and Microsoft phone also tried to fill this niche. Personally, I would love to have everything in a phone, with a good docking system for my desk, interop with a living room large monitor, and of course supporting all the dev setups that I use. After seeing what functionality Apple packs into their Apple Watch, it seems like the tech exists for a ubiquitous phone device - if only there was a large enough market so a company like Apple, or a Linux based phone company to build it.