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Switzerland, maybe Norway, maybe Iceland. Singapore? New Zealand or Australia? You must decide. Nordic countries are too cold for me. Swiss salaries for enginee

by lnsru 6y ago

Switzerland, maybe Norway, maybe Iceland. Singapore? New Zealand or Australia? You must decide. Nordic countries are too cold for me. Swiss salaries for engineers weren’t that different from my German salary. The others too far. I settled down between Munich and Alps. I love nature and still can reach Munich in 40 minutes if needed.

Mandatum 6y ago
New Zealand and Australia aren't good choices. Rich and poor gap is growing faster than ever, legislation is regressing, housing and living costs are going up - wages are stagnating.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  What you just said literally applies to every European(world?) country. There is no single country here where wages have increased faster than real-estate/cost of living and where the rich aren't getting richer while everyone else is stagnating at best. It's a side effect of globalization and our current version of capitalism supported by (intentional) poorly designed economic policies that enable this wealth gap to grow ever larger.
  - Mandatum 6y ago
    How do we fix it?
hiq 6y ago
> Swiss salaries for engineers weren’t that different from my German salary. Don't you (and your company) pay way more taxes in Germany than in Switzerland? I've never applied to Munich positions but everything I've read point to a significant gap between Zürich and Munich in software engineering, even before taxes. But maybe that's only valid for software engineering and not so relevant for other engineering fields?
- lnsru 6y ago
  I am an electrical engineer. My offers in Switzerland were ~120k CHF. I didn’t look at Zurich because of the crazy rental prices. My C# colleague got 160k CHF proposal in Zurich , that sounds okayish. But he wasn’t convinced seeing kindergarten cost of 3000 CHF monthly.
  - hiq 6y ago
    I admit I don't know how you end up when you factor in the price of kindergarten, it's significant indeed. > I didn’t look at Zurich because of the crazy rental prices. That's also where you have the highest salaries though... With the same reasoning nobody would work in the SV. And as soon as you start looking outside of the city center you quickly find cheaper accommodation. But I think the main difference is really the taxes.

by lnsru 6y ago

Mandatum 6y ago

New Zealand and Australia aren't good choices. Rich and poor gap is growing faster than ever, legislation is regressing, housing and living costs are going up - wages are stagnating.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
What you just said literally applies to every European(world?) country. There is no single country here where wages have increased faster than real-estate/cost of living and where the rich aren't getting richer while everyone else is stagnating at best. It's a side effect of globalization and our current version of capitalism supported by (intentional) poorly designed economic policies that enable this wealth gap to grow ever larger.
- Mandatum 6y ago
  How do we fix it?

hiq 6y ago

> Swiss salaries for engineers weren’t that different from my German salary. Don't you (and your company) pay way more taxes in Germany than in Switzerland? I've never applied to Munich positions but everything I've read point to a significant gap between Zürich and Munich in software engineering, even before taxes. But maybe that's only valid for software engineering and not so relevant for other engineering fields?

lnsru 6y ago
I am an electrical engineer. My offers in Switzerland were ~120k CHF. I didn’t look at Zurich because of the crazy rental prices. My C# colleague got 160k CHF proposal in Zurich , that sounds okayish. But he wasn’t convinced seeing kindergarten cost of 3000 CHF monthly.
- hiq 6y ago
  I admit I don't know how you end up when you factor in the price of kindergarten, it's significant indeed. > I didn’t look at Zurich because of the crazy rental prices. That's also where you have the highest salaries though... With the same reasoning nobody would work in the SV. And as soon as you start looking outside of the city center you quickly find cheaper accommodation. But I think the main difference is really the taxes.