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While I understand what you mean by self-referential and it is true that a lot of the economic activity in the crypto space is centered on crypto-assets, it's a
by pattusk 5y ago
While I understand what you mean by self-referential and it is true that a lot of the economic activity in the crypto space is centered on crypto-assets, it's also becoming more and more connected to the real financial system. Stablecoins mirror real world currencies, synthetics mirror real world assets such as stocks. You have to keep in mind that decentralized finance currently only has 2 million wallets (so even less users) and has been around for less than 2 years. But the space is growing and tokenization of real world assets is increasingly common. [0]
Alchemix may be self-referential because it relies on crypto yields, but you could replicate its organizational model in the real world. It would be something like an overcollaterized hypothecation union with none of the overhead of the IT and employees. The way you can use the funds you get from your loan are also very much non-referential. Here [1], one user mentions several potential use cases from charity to crowdfunding.
I don't think there are DAOs outside of the crypto space, that does not make them less interesting as social experiments. Andre Cronje from iYearn recently introduced a decentralized payment system for the organization. [2] Even if its use is for a "self-referential" project, it's still fascinating to see how the relationship between wages, labor and consumers is being redefined in a model that is fundamentally different from that of the corporation.
Kleros is an arbitration layer, it has suffered from Ethereum gas prices recently (since it's meant to be a mean of primarily adjudicating small claims) but is very much active in development and user base. They've also developed a proof of humanity system as an extension to their arbitration offering. People have used the Kleros courts to contest payment of poorly done translation jobs and resolve ecommerce disputes. It may sound unimpressive, but at the size of ecommerce it's a potentially big market that would give any online retailer the opportunity to outsource their dispute resolution service.
Filecoin is used, although I'd say it still mainly serves crypto-savvy customers (I've used it for personal file storage as it's cheaper than s3). iExec has built projects with a number of corporate partners. I'll agree that the actual adoption is small compared to the valuation if you compare to real world companies, but that does not make the possibilities less interesting.
[0] https://duneanalytics.com/rchen8/defi-users-over-time https://duneanalytics.com/rchen8/defi-users-over-time
[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/b05crypto/status/1380768156029841413 https://mobile.twitter.com/b05crypto/status/1380768156029841...
[2] https://medium.com/iearn/decentralized-payroll-management-for-daos-b2252160c543 https://medium.com/iearn/decentralized-payroll-management-fo...
[3] https://blog.kleros.io/proof-of-humanity-an-explainer https://blog.kleros.io/proof-of-humanity-an-explainer
- heckerhut 5y agoThank you for these two posts. Very informative and unbiased. People here simply don’t want to know. They have become what they despise in other people that are ignorant of certain technologies. There’s absolutely nothing you can do to change their mind. They will simply be surprised one day to find that every single interaction they have with money and finance is intermediated by a Blockchain. They will then accept it. But they will have missed out on being part of the adventure to build up the infrastructure. And that’s fine.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5y agoNone of this is true. People are interested, they want to learn new useful things. The problem with blockchain is that the environment is literally filled with fraudsters and you can't trust anyone. One ugly case after another and at the end of the day you just feel distrust whenever someone is advertising a "new revolutionary blockchain scheme" or whatever. Tell me clearly what your project is, why it's useful in real life, who is actually using it - and if it makes sense for me, I'll be glad to use it.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5y ago> It may sound unimpressive, but at the size of ecommerce it's a potentially big market that would give any online retailer the opportunity to outsource their dispute resolution service. Just like many other blockchain uses, it is very interesting and in theory has a great potential, but in practice the interest and popularity is limited. Personally I consider these 600 cases in the Kleros court a huge success already. And using it for ecommerce reviews sounds interesting in theory, but in practice, just like any other, can be gamed to the advantage of the more powerful party.