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The difficult part in renting is compiling the documentation and to get accepted as a tenant. The dividend and capital gains taxes of 26.4% efficiently cool dow

The difficult part in renting is compiling the documentation and to get accepted as a tenant. The dividend and capital gains taxes of 26.4% efficiently cool down unexperienced individual investors. The last 10 years have basically invalidated the possibility of buying housing for any individual on employment contract. Before anything will pop within next 10 years, German boomers will be chocking the remaining population even with their last death throes (while the elites holding the industry will be only consolidating their influence). ie. "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent, young, and sane".

ivanche 6y ago
It's true that the capital gains taxes are really high. But there are at least some exempts: 1) first 801€ for an individual or 1602€ for a couple are tax free (every year); 2) if you invest in ETFs that invest primarily in stocks first 30% of capital gains are tax free
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  > 2) if you invest in ETFs that invest primarily in stocks first 30% of capital gains are tax free Citation needed. I would argue the point is actuallly the opposite: Capital gains taxes are actually lower than income taxes on your salary. Properties do have an unfair advantage, though, because they can be sold tax free after 10 years. We do need something like a 401k. But if you read the election manifestos of different parties for September, they are indeed in there.
  - ivanche 6y ago
    > Citation needed. I will try to provide a screenshot from Steuerbescheinigung that Scalable Capital sent me a few days ago. Also, if something like 401K (with matching, hehe) is really implemented one day in Germany, it will be a big step ahead. Right now people are constantly robbed with various corporate pension plans that just pour money into Allianz and other insurance companies for "only" 2% TER.
  - ivanche 6y ago
    > Citation needed Here are 2 links that explain in detail [0] [1]. I'm sorry I misinformed you about Steuerbescheinigung - it's not visible there, but it is when you do Steuererklärung with smartsteuer.de. [0] https://www.lohnsteuer-kompakt.de/fag/2020/2895/was_ist_die_teilfreistellung https://www.lohnsteuer-kompakt.de/fag/2020/2895/was_ist_die_... [1] https://www.fondsclever.de/ratgeber/lexikon-investmentfonds/teilfreistellung/ https://www.fondsclever.de/ratgeber/lexikon-investmentfonds/...
    - allendoerfer 6y ago
      Interesting, I was only aware about "Vorabpauschale". I read that this one ("Teilfreistellung") evens out, because in turn taxes for fonds increased.

ivanche 6y ago

It's true that the capital gains taxes are really high. But there are at least some exempts: 1) first 801€ for an individual or 1602€ for a couple are tax free (every year); 2) if you invest in ETFs that invest primarily in stocks first 30% of capital gains are tax free

allendoerfer 6y ago
> 2) if you invest in ETFs that invest primarily in stocks first 30% of capital gains are tax free Citation needed. I would argue the point is actuallly the opposite: Capital gains taxes are actually lower than income taxes on your salary. Properties do have an unfair advantage, though, because they can be sold tax free after 10 years. We do need something like a 401k. But if you read the election manifestos of different parties for September, they are indeed in there.
- ivanche 6y ago
  > Citation needed. I will try to provide a screenshot from Steuerbescheinigung that Scalable Capital sent me a few days ago. Also, if something like 401K (with matching, hehe) is really implemented one day in Germany, it will be a big step ahead. Right now people are constantly robbed with various corporate pension plans that just pour money into Allianz and other insurance companies for "only" 2% TER.
- ivanche 6y ago
  > Citation needed Here are 2 links that explain in detail [0] [1]. I'm sorry I misinformed you about Steuerbescheinigung - it's not visible there, but it is when you do Steuererklärung with smartsteuer.de. [0] https://www.lohnsteuer-kompakt.de/fag/2020/2895/was_ist_die_teilfreistellung https://www.lohnsteuer-kompakt.de/fag/2020/2895/was_ist_die_... [1] https://www.fondsclever.de/ratgeber/lexikon-investmentfonds/teilfreistellung/ https://www.fondsclever.de/ratgeber/lexikon-investmentfonds/...
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    Interesting, I was only aware about "Vorabpauschale". I read that this one ("Teilfreistellung") evens out, because in turn taxes for fonds increased.