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"not giving a fuck about differences" is 100% the goal. But there are differences, so ignoring them is just sticking your head in the sand.

koonsolo 6y ago
I agree that there are differences. I also agree that minorities deal with discrimination. But the solution is relentlessly not giving a fuck, and now comes the big part: also making sure everyone else doesn't give a fuck (about the differences). This last part is crucial for not being indifferent or sticking your head in the sand. We ignore the differences, but we don't ignore the bastards that do take those differences into account.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp.
- koonsolo 6y ago
  > I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp. I'm sure discrimination is banned at Basecamp.
- cutemonster 6y ago
  In the first reply you wrote, it was unclear to me if / easy to get the impression that, you would have ignore those who discriminated based on differences -- good that you clarified here that it wasn't meant in that way :-)
rakoo 6y ago
It's not about ignoring differences, it's about making sure our differences aren't important. It's a subtle difference but it's what makes the ideology work. The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other
- tomp 6y ago
  > The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other Not sure that’s such a good example. When something is painfully obvious to everyone, the suppressing statistics only leads to more resentment, conspiracy theories and political unrest (or support for far-something groups). A good example is terrorism in Europe. You can be pretty sure that if the race/religion isn’t mentioned, it’s not white & atheist/christian.

koonsolo 6y ago

I agree that there are differences. I also agree that minorities deal with discrimination. But the solution is relentlessly not giving a fuck, and now comes the big part: also making sure everyone else doesn't give a fuck (about the differences). This last part is crucial for not being indifferent or sticking your head in the sand. We ignore the differences, but we don't ignore the bastards that do take those differences into account.

madeofpalk 6y ago
I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp.
koonsolo 6y ago
> I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp. I'm sure discrimination is banned at Basecamp.
cutemonster 6y ago
In the first reply you wrote, it was unclear to me if / easy to get the impression that, you would have ignore those who discriminated based on differences -- good that you clarified here that it wasn't meant in that way :-)

rakoo 6y ago

It's not about ignoring differences, it's about making sure our differences aren't important. It's a subtle difference but it's what makes the ideology work. The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other

tomp 6y ago
> The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other Not sure that’s such a good example. When something is painfully obvious to everyone, the suppressing statistics only leads to more resentment, conspiracy theories and political unrest (or support for far-something groups). A good example is terrorism in Europe. You can be pretty sure that if the race/religion isn’t mentioned, it’s not white & atheist/christian.