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So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandem

by lnsru 6y ago

So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. The universities are other funny thing. They have no future with heavily underpaid staff and work contracts for 6-12 month working contracts. Max Planck and Fraunhofer are sweatshops for industrial partners. They do the tasks for industry at 40% costs, again 1 year contracts and sad salary. I don’t want to start about general technical level in Germany. I want to cry when I think about coming relocation and registering whole family in another city. Plus car. Plus another school. It’s all filing tens of pages and using snail mail or showing up in person. Or using fax machine as a modern solution.

Mashimo 6y ago
> This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. Why was the pandemic management a real shitshow?
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  BioNTech (a German company) invents the vaccine known as Pfizer. German (and EU) administration then fails to roll it out. Also weekly meetings changing (symbolic) measures, making everyone tired of the whole show.
  - Mashimo 6y ago
    > German (and EU) administration then fails to roll it out Do you mean they have the vaccine but can't give it to people? I thought we did not secure enough of them. > Also weekly meetings changing (symbolic) measures, Yeah, that is not good. You call that "a real shit show"? Edit: Oh nevermind. You where not the person I asked. Sorry.
    - allendoerfer 6y ago
      > Do you mean they have the vaccine but can't give it to people? I thought we did not secure enough of them. All of the above. Finally they are just giving it to doctors and now numbers are finally ramping up. Leave us some drinks at the opening party, Germany will be a few months late.
  - raverbashing 6y ago
    There are over 100Mi doses of Pfizer/Biontech deployed in the EU as of today. Sure, you can question the delays (which given the time between application and approval wasn't too different from the FDA)
- lnsru 6y ago
  Simple example. Quick test on Thursday 2 weeks ago before school. Whole class negative, cool! A call on Friday from school: we have 2 positive cases, please don’t come next week. Why all the quick tests!? They bring nothing. Do you know how many vaccine was thrown away? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/impfstoff-coronavirus-dosierung-biontech-1.5262043?reduced=true https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/impfstoff-coronavirus... Let’s don’t start with Bavarian ffp2 masks while the rest of Germany can live without them.
- FabHK 6y ago
  Good question. At the beginning of the pandemic, the government response was excellent (with Angela Merkel, who has a doctorate in quantum chemistry, promoting fact-based policies). [Quick background: Germany has a political system not entirely unlike the US with a federal level and "Länder" = state level. Health (along with police, education, etc.) is delegated to the Länder.] Towards the end of 2020, two things happened: People developed "Coronamüdigkeit" (being sick of the restrictions), and in the run-up to the federal election in Sept 2021 (with Merkel stepping down), several prime ministers of the Länder tried to gain a higher profile (with an eye on the Bundeskanzler election later) by opening up. So, squabbling and inconsistent policy ensued, with a massive third wave happening right now. Throw in corruption (several CDU politicians had to step down because of shady mask deals), the delayed vaccination drive, etc., and "shitshow" seems appropriate.
  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    >People developed "Coronamüdigkeit" (being sick of the restrictions) People developed sickness of restrictions because the restrictions were not tight enough to completely stop the spread, but tight enough to become annoying when dragged along for so many months (a year?). So this half-assed restriction policy were we're kind of, sort of, locked down, but not really, got people annoyed. The problem is, even if you want to tighten the measures now to wipe out the virus, you can't, because people are already burned out from the previous half-assed measures trat dragged on for so long.
- detaro 6y ago
  First wave went well (probably in good part to dumb luck, but also because stuff just got done and less arguing about it), this made people somewhat complacent, second and third wave has been a shitshow of not wanting to be unpopular by locking things down and thus ignoring predictions, do last-minute changes when it's too late, apologizing for getting it wrong just to immediately repeat the same pattern, keeping things in an unstable and unsustainable situation for the past few months with no long-term planning (which also means the options are worse, because options that would have required long-term preparing aren't available and the available ones are badly thought out). Picking of random "target points" without apparent consideration what those actually mean outside of being some number that was compromised on and thus is now the benchmark. Way too much political manouvering with politicians pushing for "a common approach", agreeing with everyone on one, loudly announcing it, going back to their state and doing something entirely different. This dragged-out state with constant (but in many ways meaningless for many peoples experience) changes just drags on everyone while at the same time doing a bad job at keeping covid at bay. EDIT: Random examples: lockdown laws that fail trivial legal challenges because they were made up last minute. Almost religious clinging to the belief that kids in school aren't a relevant factor (to the point of states suppressing evidence to the contrary) which lead to too little investment into teaching infrastructure and options, making each switch between kids in schools and not unnecessary last minute and painful to implement. Unnecessarily messy signup/notification processes for vaccinations (who would have thought one might need a plan to vaccinate people at some point...). Late adjustment of financial help schemes. Nonsensical and inefficient schemes to e.g. distribute masks.
- FrojoS 6y ago
  Not ordering enough vaccines and in a timely manner because wanting "a European solution" was perhaps the biggest fuck up. Wasted billions for pennies and killed thousands of people.
FabHK 6y ago
Oh come on, there is amazing progress in Germany on digitalisation and hi-tech. The government of Upper Frankonia is now switching from 4-digit fax numbers to 5-digit fax numbers! https://www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/2021/pm026/index.html https://www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de/presse/pressemit... </s>
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Sigh. Satirical jokes don't work anymore, when reality is more ridiculous than anything you can imagine. (oh and fitting, their government website does not seem to use a valid certificate )
  - Hello71 6y ago
    ssllabs is happy with it, seems like you are missing ISRG Root X1 and refuse to download intermediaries. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.regierung...
allendoerfer 6y ago
> Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. If what's currently happening to Germany (uninterrupted boom since > 10 years) is decline, then let there be more of it. It's great, that you are living in the moment, but I take a step back once in a while. The other side of the fence is probably not greener. Germany is by no means perfect. Administration is a shit-show. But stuff is indeed improving (very slowly).
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  >If what's currently happening to Germany (uninterrupted boom since > 10 years) is decline, then let there be more of it. If by boom you mean the boom of big business profits that don't trickle down to the workers, boom of wealth inequality, asset prices, property prices and rents then yes, but that's nothing to be proud of. Average wages of workers in Germany have not kept up with this boom but cost of living has risen.
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    Average real wages in the last ten years have steadily increased after being stagnant before. Inequality is lower in Germany than in China or the US. I am not argueing that Germany is some kind of utopia. I am just saying: Find a better place to live. It will not be one of the dominant countries. It will be Switzerland etc.
    - FabHK 6y ago
      Agreed that it is not too bad in Germany, but the trend is pointing in the wrong direction. It is unclear whether there are political parties that have a reasonable response to the current challenges - some are complacent about it, and some go a bit overboard (Die Linke advocates a wealth tax of 5% a year for wealth above EUR 1m).
- lnsru 6y ago
  Real estate prices tripled or even quadrupled during last 10 years while salaries haven’t changed a lot. The rents in the cities are not really affordable anymore. Look at the problems in Berlin when the city tried to control the rental prices and failed.
Thomasmack 6y ago
> Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. I agree and this is really sad. Thinking of migrating because I plan to have a family and want them to grow up in the best environment. Which countries you guys think will be the best bet?
- celticninja 6y ago
  Europe will be a safer option than most others. Everywhere else will be a backwards step in terms of safety and education of your children. The US might seem like a better option for now with higher wages, but with the increase in the gap between rich and poor, how sure are you that your children will be on the rich side of that gap? If you are a person of colour, even more reason to avoid the US. Not that Europe is perfect, but your chances of being shot by the police drop dramatically.
  - mygoodaccount 6y ago
    The highroading by Europeans regarding race never ceases to amaze me. I've never experienced more overt racism than during my limited time in Europe (specifically Germany, Netherlands, and Denmark). The real difference here is American issues are broadcasted more than European ones are.
    - celticninja 6y ago
      real difference here is American issues are more often fatal
- lnsru 6y ago
  Switzerland, maybe Norway, maybe Iceland. Singapore? New Zealand or Australia? You must decide. Nordic countries are too cold for me. Swiss salaries for engineers weren’t that different from my German salary. The others too far. I settled down between Munich and Alps. I love nature and still can reach Munich in 40 minutes if needed.
  - Mandatum 6y ago

by lnsru 6y ago

Mashimo 6y ago

> This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. Why was the pandemic management a real shitshow?

allendoerfer 6y ago
BioNTech (a German company) invents the vaccine known as Pfizer. German (and EU) administration then fails to roll it out. Also weekly meetings changing (symbolic) measures, making everyone tired of the whole show.
- Mashimo 6y ago
  > German (and EU) administration then fails to roll it out Do you mean they have the vaccine but can't give it to people? I thought we did not secure enough of them. > Also weekly meetings changing (symbolic) measures, Yeah, that is not good. You call that "a real shit show"? Edit: Oh nevermind. You where not the person I asked. Sorry.
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    > Do you mean they have the vaccine but can't give it to people? I thought we did not secure enough of them. All of the above. Finally they are just giving it to doctors and now numbers are finally ramping up. Leave us some drinks at the opening party, Germany will be a few months late.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  There are over 100Mi doses of Pfizer/Biontech deployed in the EU as of today. Sure, you can question the delays (which given the time between application and approval wasn't too different from the FDA)
lnsru 6y ago
Simple example. Quick test on Thursday 2 weeks ago before school. Whole class negative, cool! A call on Friday from school: we have 2 positive cases, please don’t come next week. Why all the quick tests!? They bring nothing. Do you know how many vaccine was thrown away? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/impfstoff-coronavirus-dosierung-biontech-1.5262043?reduced=true https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/impfstoff-coronavirus... Let’s don’t start with Bavarian ffp2 masks while the rest of Germany can live without them.
FabHK 6y ago
Good question. At the beginning of the pandemic, the government response was excellent (with Angela Merkel, who has a doctorate in quantum chemistry, promoting fact-based policies). [Quick background: Germany has a political system not entirely unlike the US with a federal level and "Länder" = state level. Health (along with police, education, etc.) is delegated to the Länder.] Towards the end of 2020, two things happened: People developed "Coronamüdigkeit" (being sick of the restrictions), and in the run-up to the federal election in Sept 2021 (with Merkel stepping down), several prime ministers of the Länder tried to gain a higher profile (with an eye on the Bundeskanzler election later) by opening up. So, squabbling and inconsistent policy ensued, with a massive third wave happening right now. Throw in corruption (several CDU politicians had to step down because of shady mask deals), the delayed vaccination drive, etc., and "shitshow" seems appropriate.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  >People developed "Coronamüdigkeit" (being sick of the restrictions) People developed sickness of restrictions because the restrictions were not tight enough to completely stop the spread, but tight enough to become annoying when dragged along for so many months (a year?). So this half-assed restriction policy were we're kind of, sort of, locked down, but not really, got people annoyed. The problem is, even if you want to tighten the measures now to wipe out the virus, you can't, because people are already burned out from the previous half-assed measures trat dragged on for so long.
detaro 6y ago
First wave went well (probably in good part to dumb luck, but also because stuff just got done and less arguing about it), this made people somewhat complacent, second and third wave has been a shitshow of not wanting to be unpopular by locking things down and thus ignoring predictions, do last-minute changes when it's too late, apologizing for getting it wrong just to immediately repeat the same pattern, keeping things in an unstable and unsustainable situation for the past few months with no long-term planning (which also means the options are worse, because options that would have required long-term preparing aren't available and the available ones are badly thought out). Picking of random "target points" without apparent consideration what those actually mean outside of being some number that was compromised on and thus is now the benchmark. Way too much political manouvering with politicians pushing for "a common approach", agreeing with everyone on one, loudly announcing it, going back to their state and doing something entirely different. This dragged-out state with constant (but in many ways meaningless for many peoples experience) changes just drags on everyone while at the same time doing a bad job at keeping covid at bay. EDIT: Random examples: lockdown laws that fail trivial legal challenges because they were made up last minute. Almost religious clinging to the belief that kids in school aren't a relevant factor (to the point of states suppressing evidence to the contrary) which lead to too little investment into teaching infrastructure and options, making each switch between kids in schools and not unnecessary last minute and painful to implement. Unnecessarily messy signup/notification processes for vaccinations (who would have thought one might need a plan to vaccinate people at some point...). Late adjustment of financial help schemes. Nonsensical and inefficient schemes to e.g. distribute masks.
FrojoS 6y ago
Not ordering enough vaccines and in a timely manner because wanting "a European solution" was perhaps the biggest fuck up. Wasted billions for pennies and killed thousands of people.

FabHK 6y ago

Oh come on, there is amazing progress in Germany on digitalisation and hi-tech. The government of Upper Frankonia is now switching from 4-digit fax numbers to 5-digit fax numbers! https://www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/2021/pm026/index.html https://www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de/presse/pressemit... </s>

hutzlibu 6y ago
Sigh. Satirical jokes don't work anymore, when reality is more ridiculous than anything you can imagine. (oh and fitting, their government website does not seem to use a valid certificate )
- Hello71 6y ago
  ssllabs is happy with it, seems like you are missing ISRG Root X1 and refuse to download intermediaries. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.regierung...

allendoerfer 6y ago

> Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. If what's currently happening to Germany (uninterrupted boom since > 10 years) is decline, then let there be more of it. It's great, that you are living in the moment, but I take a step back once in a while. The other side of the fence is probably not greener. Germany is by no means perfect. Administration is a shit-show. But stuff is indeed improving (very slowly).

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
>If what's currently happening to Germany (uninterrupted boom since > 10 years) is decline, then let there be more of it. If by boom you mean the boom of big business profits that don't trickle down to the workers, boom of wealth inequality, asset prices, property prices and rents then yes, but that's nothing to be proud of. Average wages of workers in Germany have not kept up with this boom but cost of living has risen.
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  Average real wages in the last ten years have steadily increased after being stagnant before. Inequality is lower in Germany than in China or the US. I am not argueing that Germany is some kind of utopia. I am just saying: Find a better place to live. It will not be one of the dominant countries. It will be Switzerland etc.
  - FabHK 6y ago
    Agreed that it is not too bad in Germany, but the trend is pointing in the wrong direction. It is unclear whether there are political parties that have a reasonable response to the current challenges - some are complacent about it, and some go a bit overboard (Die Linke advocates a wealth tax of 5% a year for wealth above EUR 1m).
lnsru 6y ago
Real estate prices tripled or even quadrupled during last 10 years while salaries haven’t changed a lot. The rents in the cities are not really affordable anymore. Look at the problems in Berlin when the city tried to control the rental prices and failed.

Thomasmack 6y ago

> Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. I agree and this is really sad. Thinking of migrating because I plan to have a family and want them to grow up in the best environment. Which countries you guys think will be the best bet?

celticninja 6y ago
Europe will be a safer option than most others. Everywhere else will be a backwards step in terms of safety and education of your children. The US might seem like a better option for now with higher wages, but with the increase in the gap between rich and poor, how sure are you that your children will be on the rich side of that gap? If you are a person of colour, even more reason to avoid the US. Not that Europe is perfect, but your chances of being shot by the police drop dramatically.
- mygoodaccount 6y ago
  The highroading by Europeans regarding race never ceases to amaze me. I've never experienced more overt racism than during my limited time in Europe (specifically Germany, Netherlands, and Denmark). The real difference here is American issues are broadcasted more than European ones are.
  - celticninja 6y ago
    real difference here is American issues are more often fatal
lnsru 6y ago
Switzerland, maybe Norway, maybe Iceland. Singapore? New Zealand or Australia? You must decide. Nordic countries are too cold for me. Swiss salaries for engineers weren’t that different from my German salary. The others too far. I settled down between Munich and Alps. I love nature and still can reach Munich in 40 minutes if needed.
- Mandatum 6y ago