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I legitimately believe that "not giving a fuck about differences" is the goal we should all aim for. Yes, I am lucky that I can afford this mindset, but if I wa

by rakoo 6y ago

I legitimately believe that "not giving a fuck about differences" is the goal we should all aim for. Yes, I am lucky that I can afford this mindset, but if I want everyone to also benefit from this privilege (such that it isn't a privilege anymore, but the standard), how do I do ? I live in a country where the differences are handled almost the exact opposite to what is done in the US. Instead of spreading positive discrimination that reinforces the idea that we're all different and actually promoting communautarism, we believe that our differences are fundamentally a private matter and when we want to build something together we leverage our common interest and values. It's all idealistic but in practice our racism isn't as widespread and brutal as other places, which is why I'm convinced it is the right way to follow

madeofpalk 6y ago
"not giving a fuck about differences" is 100% the goal. But there are differences, so ignoring them is just sticking your head in the sand.
- koonsolo 6y ago
  I agree that there are differences. I also agree that minorities deal with discrimination. But the solution is relentlessly not giving a fuck, and now comes the big part: also making sure everyone else doesn't give a fuck (about the differences). This last part is crucial for not being indifferent or sticking your head in the sand. We ignore the differences, but we don't ignore the bastards that do take those differences into account.
  - madeofpalk 6y ago
    I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp.
  - koonsolo 6y ago
    > I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp. I'm sure discrimination is banned at Basecamp.
  - cutemonster 6y ago
    In the first reply you wrote, it was unclear to me if / easy to get the impression that, you would have ignore those who discriminated based on differences -- good that you clarified here that it wasn't meant in that way :-)
- rakoo 6y ago
  It's not about ignoring differences, it's about making sure our differences aren't important. It's a subtle difference but it's what makes the ideology work. The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other
  - tomp 6y ago
    > The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other Not sure that’s such a good example. When something is painfully obvious to everyone, the suppressing statistics only leads to more resentment, conspiracy theories and political unrest (or support for far-something groups). A good example is terrorism in Europe. You can be pretty sure that if the race/religion isn’t mentioned, it’s not white & atheist/christian.

by rakoo 6y ago

madeofpalk 6y ago

"not giving a fuck about differences" is 100% the goal. But there are differences, so ignoring them is just sticking your head in the sand.

koonsolo 6y ago
I agree that there are differences. I also agree that minorities deal with discrimination. But the solution is relentlessly not giving a fuck, and now comes the big part: also making sure everyone else doesn't give a fuck (about the differences). This last part is crucial for not being indifferent or sticking your head in the sand. We ignore the differences, but we don't ignore the bastards that do take those differences into account.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp.
- koonsolo 6y ago
  > I don't know, sounds pretty political. Talk of this is probably banned at Basecamp. I'm sure discrimination is banned at Basecamp.
- cutemonster 6y ago
  In the first reply you wrote, it was unclear to me if / easy to get the impression that, you would have ignore those who discriminated based on differences -- good that you clarified here that it wasn't meant in that way :-)
rakoo 6y ago
It's not about ignoring differences, it's about making sure our differences aren't important. It's a subtle difference but it's what makes the ideology work. The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other
- tomp 6y ago
  > The best example is that it is forbidden to have public statistics based on religion. Not because religion doesn't matter (it does), not because religion is irrelevant (it isn't), but because pointing out our different beliefs is the best way to pit people against each other Not sure that’s such a good example. When something is painfully obvious to everyone, the suppressing statistics only leads to more resentment, conspiracy theories and political unrest (or support for far-something groups). A good example is terrorism in Europe. You can be pretty sure that if the race/religion isn’t mentioned, it’s not white & atheist/christian.