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If by "straight" you mean only fuel stops I do ~750 miles or more at least twice a year.

by throwawayboise 6y ago

Gibbon1 6y ago
> twice a year Meaning basically never.
- zaphar 6y ago
  The importance of those twice a year trips is high though. Visiting family, resting up on vacation, exploring new places. Choosing a vehicle that doesn't support those twice a year trips is a hard sell for many people.
- the_lonely_road 6y ago
  We are talking about buying cars with ~8 year lifetimes. So his "basically never" twice a year is 16 expected trips with the vehicle. That's significant enough to be a serious consideration when comparing ICE to EV purchases.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    8 years at an average of 12500 miles a year is 100,000 miles or about 5000-10000 trips. 16 long distance trips is 0.3% of all trip. So that's 0.3%. Now ask what the marginal cost of a electric car that can drive 500 miles without stopping vs one that goes have the distance. What's that $20,000? For 16 trips? That's $1250 a trip. From an accounting point of view that's insane. You should buy the lower range cheaper car and fly.
    - EricE 6y ago
      >So that's 0.3%. Your heart is a relatively small part of your overall biomass. So why don't you just do without it? >From an accounting point of view that's insane. You should buy the lower range cheaper car and fly. Even more presumptuous. What are you supposed to do on the other end of that plane flight to get around? Rent a car? Bum off of friends/family? I once thought it would be cost effective to buy an EV and just rent when I needed to take longer trips - until I did the math. Rental cars get very expensive very quickly!
- EricE 6y ago
  Must be this new math. When I was growing up never = 0, not never > 0
- EricE 6y ago
  Also for all those saying just fly and rent or rent a car - most of these trips are around the holidays. When everyone else is having the same thoughts. What happens if you don't get a rental car? No trip? Yeah, that's going to go over well...

If by "straight" you mean only fuel stops I do ~750 miles or more at least twice a year.

Gibbon1 6y ago

> twice a year Meaning basically never.

zaphar 6y ago
The importance of those twice a year trips is high though. Visiting family, resting up on vacation, exploring new places. Choosing a vehicle that doesn't support those twice a year trips is a hard sell for many people.
the_lonely_road 6y ago
We are talking about buying cars with ~8 year lifetimes. So his "basically never" twice a year is 16 expected trips with the vehicle. That's significant enough to be a serious consideration when comparing ICE to EV purchases.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  8 years at an average of 12500 miles a year is 100,000 miles or about 5000-10000 trips. 16 long distance trips is 0.3% of all trip. So that's 0.3%. Now ask what the marginal cost of a electric car that can drive 500 miles without stopping vs one that goes have the distance. What's that $20,000? For 16 trips? That's $1250 a trip. From an accounting point of view that's insane. You should buy the lower range cheaper car and fly.
  - EricE 6y ago
    >So that's 0.3%. Your heart is a relatively small part of your overall biomass. So why don't you just do without it? >From an accounting point of view that's insane. You should buy the lower range cheaper car and fly. Even more presumptuous. What are you supposed to do on the other end of that plane flight to get around? Rent a car? Bum off of friends/family? I once thought it would be cost effective to buy an EV and just rent when I needed to take longer trips - until I did the math. Rental cars get very expensive very quickly!
EricE 6y ago
Must be this new math. When I was growing up never = 0, not never > 0
EricE 6y ago
Also for all those saying just fly and rent or rent a car - most of these trips are around the holidays. When everyone else is having the same thoughts. What happens if you don't get a rental car? No trip? Yeah, that's going to go over well...