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> Discussing people’s membership in groups like cis or Native American or whatever else IS an unwanted political act. Unwanted by whom?

bitcharmer 5y ago
By most people. You know, non-activists. We just want to come to work, do our jobs, hang out with other people passionate about what they do. Just enjoy this time and not engage in political activism. Is this too much to ask?
- Tallianar 5y ago
  Yes, because that's a privilege that many people don't get. By saying that you are saying that your comfort is more important than the safety and values of other people that don't get your privilege. If you really don't want to interact with these discussions then don't, but don't silence other voices.
  - atonse 5y ago
    But they haven’t actually silenced anyone. They’ve said employees are free to even congregate in personal groups with other employees to discuss politics. Just not on company Basecamp.
  - bitcharmer 5y ago
    Please don't put made up statements in my mouth. That's pretty low. I never said I want to silence anyone. I said I want to come to work and expect work related discussions, nothing else. I'm really tired of this toxic narrative that if I don't want my workplace to be a battleground of political discourse I'm somehow silencing opinions or oppressing minorities.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  Tell me you're a white dude without telling me you're a white dude
caffeine 5y ago
In this case, I was referring specifically to the policy mentioned in the article. But it’s a valid question more broadly as well, and some of the other answers have been dismissive. In general it is unwanted by people who prefer to be treated (and to treat others) as individuals rather than group members. People who want to interact with others based on individual qualities and merits, irrespective of group associations (especially immutable characteristics like height, skin colour, hair colour, etc). I believe this (for now) still represents the majority of people in the US, and probably in some other countries as well.

bitcharmer 5y ago

By most people. You know, non-activists. We just want to come to work, do our jobs, hang out with other people passionate about what they do. Just enjoy this time and not engage in political activism. Is this too much to ask?

Tallianar 5y ago
Yes, because that's a privilege that many people don't get. By saying that you are saying that your comfort is more important than the safety and values of other people that don't get your privilege. If you really don't want to interact with these discussions then don't, but don't silence other voices.
- atonse 5y ago
  But they haven’t actually silenced anyone. They’ve said employees are free to even congregate in personal groups with other employees to discuss politics. Just not on company Basecamp.
- bitcharmer 5y ago
  Please don't put made up statements in my mouth. That's pretty low. I never said I want to silence anyone. I said I want to come to work and expect work related discussions, nothing else. I'm really tired of this toxic narrative that if I don't want my workplace to be a battleground of political discourse I'm somehow silencing opinions or oppressing minorities.
madeofpalk 5y ago
Tell me you're a white dude without telling me you're a white dude

caffeine 5y ago

In this case, I was referring specifically to the policy mentioned in the article. But it’s a valid question more broadly as well, and some of the other answers have been dismissive. In general it is unwanted by people who prefer to be treated (and to treat others) as individuals rather than group members. People who want to interact with others based on individual qualities and merits, irrespective of group associations (especially immutable characteristics like height, skin colour, hair colour, etc). I believe this (for now) still represents the majority of people in the US, and probably in some other countries as well.