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The takeaway is that Tesla worked tirelessly into making charging (one of the major pain points of EV) as efficient and convenient as possible. And legacy manuf

The takeaway is that Tesla worked tirelessly into making charging (one of the major pain points of EV) as efficient and convenient as possible. And legacy manufacturers are now trying to catch up nearly a decade later.

tapoxi 6y ago
I think the takeaway is that we ended up with two charging standards so instead of one complementing the other, they compete. It should have been standardized, like in Europe.
- jayd16 6y ago
  Teslas can use ChargePoint chargers. I don't think a lot of competitors make their cars compatible with superchargers, though.
  - goshx 6y ago
    They can't make it compatible with superchargers without some sort of integration with Tesla's system. When you go to a supercharger on a Tesla, all you have to do is to plug the car. No apps, not sign up, no credit card. The supercharger recognizes your car and the bill shows up on your Tesla account. This alone is ages ahead the competition.
    - magicalhippo 6y ago
      > No apps, not sign up, no credit card We have a BMW i3, and while there's a decent amount of CCS chargers around here in Norway, every other seems to be from a different company. I exaggerate, but it truly is a pain to deal with, especially since they all have different prices and price structures. For example our i3 can only handle 50kW charging, what happens when I plug it into a 150kW charger? Depends on who owns the charger, some charge per kWh delivered, some per minute. So for some it's gonna be OK, for others it's gonna cost more than filling up a gas tank.
    - mcot2 6y ago
      They can if they work with Tesla (and share development costs) but so far none of them have.
      - goshx 6y ago
        There are some, according to Elon's response to this tweet: https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1340846145929670656 https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1340846145929670656
        mcot2 6y ago
        I belive this is mostly in the EU where they already have the CCS2 connector. I have not yet seen any North American car with a Tesla connector except _maybe_ the new prototype Aptera.
- mcot2 6y ago
  I agree it should be standardized and we should choose the Tesla connector which I belive is an open design.
nick_kline 6y ago
Correct! Teslas have been reasonable for a lot of long distance travel with their superchargers for 5+ years. They built chargers between big cities, close enough to each other. Every other ev suffers in comparison for long distance travel. The writer did mention that it was different for teslas (still not perfect), but I don't think they really made it clear enough. With a tesla model s you can drive cross country and I can go almost anywhere, whether that is across Washington State to San Diego or BC to Banff.
- mcot2 6y ago
  They are now getting into the density game in a lot of markets which is very exciting. For example they are putting Superchargers at every single rest stop in NJ along I-95 (I think its like 8 total in a couple hundred mile span). With the density you can really optimize your charging since charging is very very fast at a low state of charge.

tapoxi 6y ago

I think the takeaway is that we ended up with two charging standards so instead of one complementing the other, they compete. It should have been standardized, like in Europe.

jayd16 6y ago
Teslas can use ChargePoint chargers. I don't think a lot of competitors make their cars compatible with superchargers, though.
- goshx 6y ago
  They can't make it compatible with superchargers without some sort of integration with Tesla's system. When you go to a supercharger on a Tesla, all you have to do is to plug the car. No apps, not sign up, no credit card. The supercharger recognizes your car and the bill shows up on your Tesla account. This alone is ages ahead the competition.
  - magicalhippo 6y ago
    > No apps, not sign up, no credit card We have a BMW i3, and while there's a decent amount of CCS chargers around here in Norway, every other seems to be from a different company. I exaggerate, but it truly is a pain to deal with, especially since they all have different prices and price structures. For example our i3 can only handle 50kW charging, what happens when I plug it into a 150kW charger? Depends on who owns the charger, some charge per kWh delivered, some per minute. So for some it's gonna be OK, for others it's gonna cost more than filling up a gas tank.
  - mcot2 6y ago
    They can if they work with Tesla (and share development costs) but so far none of them have.
    - goshx 6y ago
      There are some, according to Elon's response to this tweet: https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1340846145929670656 https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1340846145929670656
      - mcot2 6y ago
        I belive this is mostly in the EU where they already have the CCS2 connector. I have not yet seen any North American car with a Tesla connector except _maybe_ the new prototype Aptera.
mcot2 6y ago
I agree it should be standardized and we should choose the Tesla connector which I belive is an open design.

nick_kline 6y ago

Correct! Teslas have been reasonable for a lot of long distance travel with their superchargers for 5+ years. They built chargers between big cities, close enough to each other. Every other ev suffers in comparison for long distance travel. The writer did mention that it was different for teslas (still not perfect), but I don't think they really made it clear enough. With a tesla model s you can drive cross country and I can go almost anywhere, whether that is across Washington State to San Diego or BC to Banff.

mcot2 6y ago
They are now getting into the density game in a lot of markets which is very exciting. For example they are putting Superchargers at every single rest stop in NJ along I-95 (I think its like 8 total in a couple hundred mile span). With the density you can really optimize your charging since charging is very very fast at a low state of charge.