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> I know I would have been benched or cut if I talked about throwing a game or not trying my hardest and those statements Do you think you'd get a years suspen
by jVinc 5y ago
> I know I would have been benched or cut if I talked about throwing a game or not trying my hardest and those statements
Do you think you'd get a years suspension as a 14 year old if you'd said "fuck this team" to a friend after losing a match? And do you really think that would have been an appropriate response?
You can't compare her venting to threats of throwing games or intentionally under-performing.
- giantg2 5y agoYeah, if I said that, I could see myself being cut for that season (year). I think that could be appropriate depending on the circumstances. To make it similar to this case, it wouldn't just be a friend who heard it, it would be the majority of that school. In which case, I can see that as reasonable. "You can't compare her venting to threats of throwing games or intentionally under-performing." You seem to be missing the fact that these are one in the same for her scenario. Dragging down school spirit and pride through her comments is exactly the opposite of the cheer squad's function. Note that she was not kicked off the softball team.
- david38 5y agoShe was 14. It’s unreasonable to expect a 14 yo to always represent an organization. Hell, almost no adults ever do that.
- giantg2 5y agoI don't see how being 14 is an excuse. People mature at different rates, but I reasonably believe she knew right from wrong. After all 14 is way past mens rea for much more serious topics.
- GauntletWizard 5y agoI am going to impart upon you the worst curse I know: I hope you are held to the standards you hold others to.
- giantg2 5y agoI don't see that as a curse. That's what everyone should be doing.
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- ALittleLight 5y agoI think the penalty is far too extreme, I think the cheer-squad equivalent of running laps should've been used. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, though, that the cheer squad can have standards around esprit de corps and have some mechanism to enforce that. The girl didn't just talk to her friend, wholly understandable, but also sent a message to 250 people many of whom, presumably, are fellow students and cheer leaders, some of whom were upset. I think you're right that it's unreasonable to expect a 14 year old to always represent an organization well, but, that's kind of the point of both being in the organization and punishing poor behavior. The child, who isn't ready to act like we expect an adult to, gets lessons in how we expect adults to act. The cheer leading program is a great way to teach that, provided you don't go too extreme with it, like banning the girl for a year. Imagine going through school learning that you're allowed to say whatever outside of school and can't be punished for it. Then you get a job and talk shit about it on social media the same way you've been taught is perfectly acceptable, and... You get fired. Conversely, imagine being a student in a student org and getting scolded and minor and increasing punishments for acting inappropriately and you come to understand what's expected of you. I think the latter student is better equipped for the real world.
- fouc 5y agoIf you angrily told a personal friend "fuck this team" after a losing game, does that get you suspended? No it doesn't.. A 24 hour self deleting vent to a personal circle of friends should be treated similarly. As someone else in this HN thread eloquently said: > It's not just that it was expressed off campus. It was expressed privately. Her speech on its own never reached the school. It was deliberately recorded and rebroadcast. The disruptive speech was the replaying of what she said, not her saying it. There is a huge difference.
- giantg2 5y agoWas she suspended? I saw that she was only cut from the cheer squad. I could certainly see getting cut from the tram for the year if I said similar things and the coach heard about it. It wouldn't matter how it got to the coach.
- aksss 5y agoTo be clear, isn't the suspension from participating in those activities (cheer) not from school itself? The former seems completely appropriate to me. The latter not at all.
- mensetmanusman 5y agoIt seems she could still be in cheer, just not on the higher status squad.
- giantg2 5y agoI read that she was cut from the cheer squad for 1 year. No actual school suspension. It seems she was also still allowed on the softball team.