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> The way it sits today, the majority of people are afraid to speak their thoughts for fear of workplace retaliation. I hear this argument regularly. Can you c

> The way it sits today, the majority of people are afraid to speak their thoughts for fear of workplace retaliation. I hear this argument regularly. Can you cite evidence showing it's actually true?

vquantum 6y ago
Look at this mail from the Python Steering Council: https://marc.info/?l=python-dev&m=161652621725348&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=python-dev&m=161652621725348&w=2 Similar rants from last year have been deleted. Whenever someone posts the evidence you ask for, it is usually flagged instantly. Perhaps that is why evidence is rarely seen.
- netrus 6y ago
  Well yes, many people will want to say "fuck you" to their boss at some point in time, and will not do so for fear of retaliation. In the example you post, someone is ridiculing a group decision on a sensitive topic. Do you actually think that there should be no negative consequences to _ridiculing_ the decisions of your boss or coworkers? Being a dick has always been a way to lose your job, and I think that's okay.
axaxs 6y ago
https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-th... I've read this multiple times over the last couple years. Please don't accuse me of cherry picking, I don't know anything about Cato, I just googled it and it was the first link(well, via thehill).
- sellyme 6y ago
  Extremely off-topic, but that URL is a great example of why using headline/lede text in links is a bad idea. Really loses its punch when the '%' gets stripped.
- hodgesrm 6y ago
  Thanks for following up. It seems like a reasonable source. This is sad and worth thinking about. I wonder how this compares with other countries but I can look that up myself. The article you referenced from The Hill considered the issue but didn't provide much useful data either way. [1] [1] https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-speak-your-mind-maybe-were-not-as-free-as-we-think https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-sp...
eloff 6y ago
I've worked places with diversity and inclusion programs that I think are ridiculous. And I've heard of programs far worse. I smile and say nothing because it's not worth my job. I think there's a lot of people out there like that.
- Talanes 6y ago
  As tempting as it is, "I think a lot of people think like me" isn't really evidence.
  - eloff 6y ago
    For sure. I don't know of any actual evidence though, just anecdotes.

> The way it sits today, the majority of people are afraid to speak their thoughts for fear of workplace retaliation. I hear this argument regularly. Can you cite evidence showing it's actually true?

vquantum 6y ago

Look at this mail from the Python Steering Council: https://marc.info/?l=python-dev&m=161652621725348&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=python-dev&m=161652621725348&w=2 Similar rants from last year have been deleted. Whenever someone posts the evidence you ask for, it is usually flagged instantly. Perhaps that is why evidence is rarely seen.

netrus 6y ago
Well yes, many people will want to say "fuck you" to their boss at some point in time, and will not do so for fear of retaliation. In the example you post, someone is ridiculing a group decision on a sensitive topic. Do you actually think that there should be no negative consequences to _ridiculing_ the decisions of your boss or coworkers? Being a dick has always been a way to lose your job, and I think that's okay.

axaxs 6y ago

https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-th... I've read this multiple times over the last couple years. Please don't accuse me of cherry picking, I don't know anything about Cato, I just googled it and it was the first link(well, via thehill).

sellyme 6y ago
Extremely off-topic, but that URL is a great example of why using headline/lede text in links is a bad idea. Really loses its punch when the '%' gets stripped.
hodgesrm 6y ago
Thanks for following up. It seems like a reasonable source. This is sad and worth thinking about. I wonder how this compares with other countries but I can look that up myself. The article you referenced from The Hill considered the issue but didn't provide much useful data either way. [1] [1] https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-speak-your-mind-maybe-were-not-as-free-as-we-think https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/510402-afraid-to-sp...

eloff 6y ago

I've worked places with diversity and inclusion programs that I think are ridiculous. And I've heard of programs far worse. I smile and say nothing because it's not worth my job. I think there's a lot of people out there like that.

Talanes 6y ago
As tempting as it is, "I think a lot of people think like me" isn't really evidence.
- eloff 6y ago
  For sure. I don't know of any actual evidence though, just anecdotes.