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To add on top of that, isn't gender now a protected class when it comes to employment as well? If yes, then it would mean that wearing a "there are only 2 gend

To add on top of that, isn't gender now a protected class when it comes to employment as well? If yes, then it would mean that wearing a "there are only 2 genders" tshirt would essentially count as harassing a protected class based on their belonging to that protected class. Which seems like pretty clear grounds for termination, and no "this is just my religion" excuses are going to help here. Just like wearing a quote from the bible on your tshirt saying that women aren't supposed to hold seniority over men would very certainly get you fired as well, despite that being a part of your religious textbook and you belonging to that protected class.

kokanator 6y ago
First wearing either t-shirt is no way to approach these subjects as they are very nuanced. Dispelling a myth here, the Bible doesn't actually say "women aren't supposed to hold seniority over men". It is true that it has been used in this manner and interpreted by certain organizations as such. Strong lined Complementarianism [0] espouse this belief. However, the conclusion is not supported by the text and context nor by the rest of the Bible. [1] To use a verse already quoted here Galatians 3:28. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". This verse has everything to do with equality and nothing to do with the topic it was used for elsewhere in this thread. ( read it in context and you will see ). I know I may get flamed/down voted for this but it is extremely important. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism [1] https://almostheretical.com/episodes/authority-over-a-man https://almostheretical.com/episodes/authority-over-a-man
- chillwaves 6y ago
  Is there really a point in arguing over the Bible?
  - kokanator 6y ago
    I do think it is important to challenge an off the cuff comment which is not backed up by specific knowledge or reference. Especially if that comment perpetuates an idea that leads to disparaging people. The comment thread was specifically regarding religion so it is entirely applicable and important. There are plenty of examples on HN where religious documents other than the Bible or the Pentateuch are discussed. [0][1][2] Religion and/or the lack thereof impacts our culture and politics in outstanding ways. To ignore them or not discuss them leaves us blind to significant reasonings that have built the world we live in today. [0] https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5GCEM_en&q=site:news.ycombinator.com+Quran https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5GCEM_en&q=site:news.yco... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+Sutra https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+Vedas https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+...
  - JohnBooty 6y ago
    In the micro, it certainly isn't. I mean, at least in the context of HN or the workplace. In the macro, it's relevant to issues of school/workplace speech in the sense that it's good to remember that major religions are awfully large tents and represent a wide plurality of beliefs. Christianity is not necessarily synonymous with any particular belief regarding gender, etc. The same could be said of other major world religions. I'm an atheist and therefore don't have a horse in this race. But it's one reason why merely identifying as belonging to a religion is fine in the workplace, whereas espousing specific religious beliefs that disparage others is a problem.
JohnBooty 6y ago
Just like wearing a quote from the bible on your tshirt saying that women aren't supposed to hold seniority over men would very certainly get you fired as well, despite that being a part of your religious textbook and you belonging to that protected class. Do you honestly not see a difference between believing a thing, and emblazoning that thing on a t-shirt that your coworkers have to see?

kokanator 6y ago

First wearing either t-shirt is no way to approach these subjects as they are very nuanced. Dispelling a myth here, the Bible doesn't actually say "women aren't supposed to hold seniority over men". It is true that it has been used in this manner and interpreted by certain organizations as such. Strong lined Complementarianism [0] espouse this belief. However, the conclusion is not supported by the text and context nor by the rest of the Bible. [1] To use a verse already quoted here Galatians 3:28. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". This verse has everything to do with equality and nothing to do with the topic it was used for elsewhere in this thread. ( read it in context and you will see ). I know I may get flamed/down voted for this but it is extremely important. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism [1] https://almostheretical.com/episodes/authority-over-a-man https://almostheretical.com/episodes/authority-over-a-man

chillwaves 6y ago
Is there really a point in arguing over the Bible?
- kokanator 6y ago
  I do think it is important to challenge an off the cuff comment which is not backed up by specific knowledge or reference. Especially if that comment perpetuates an idea that leads to disparaging people. The comment thread was specifically regarding religion so it is entirely applicable and important. There are plenty of examples on HN where religious documents other than the Bible or the Pentateuch are discussed. [0][1][2] Religion and/or the lack thereof impacts our culture and politics in outstanding ways. To ignore them or not discuss them leaves us blind to significant reasonings that have built the world we live in today. [0] https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5GCEM_en&q=site:news.ycombinator.com+Quran https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5GCEM_en&q=site:news.yco... [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+Sutra https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+Vedas https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+...
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  In the micro, it certainly isn't. I mean, at least in the context of HN or the workplace. In the macro, it's relevant to issues of school/workplace speech in the sense that it's good to remember that major religions are awfully large tents and represent a wide plurality of beliefs. Christianity is not necessarily synonymous with any particular belief regarding gender, etc. The same could be said of other major world religions. I'm an atheist and therefore don't have a horse in this race. But it's one reason why merely identifying as belonging to a religion is fine in the workplace, whereas espousing specific religious beliefs that disparage others is a problem.

JohnBooty 6y ago

Just like wearing a quote from the bible on your tshirt saying that women aren't supposed to hold seniority over men would very certainly get you fired as well, despite that being a part of your religious textbook and you belonging to that protected class. Do you honestly not see a difference between believing a thing, and emblazoning that thing on a t-shirt that your coworkers have to see?