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What's he supposed to do? Rant about the government? Making the best of it and moving on is probably the best move, since it doesn't sound like a big hit to the

by davidw 6y ago

What's he supposed to do? Rant about the government? Making the best of it and moving on is probably the best move, since it doesn't sound like a big hit to their business. Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement?

rajacombinator 6y ago
Not to mention that Lambda School is an attempt to actually align the incentives of school and students, which is the main problem with educational financing today. Wrong target to pile on.
- sugarwater 6y ago
  As a student that went through the program, I question if their incentives were aligned. During the middle of my enrollment at the program (Sept 2020), the school suddenly dropped all notion of grading, code review, and attendance, let alone the length of the program. It remained this way for 3 months, 50% of the length of the program. This is a broad description of the changes, but I want to emphasize that the changes were terrible, _many_ students complained, and the school essentially whistled with fingers in their ears.
  - hluska 6y ago
    Are you doing okay now?? That sounds awful...:(
    - sugarwater 6y ago
      I graduated at the end of February and am still job searching. In the meantime I have a part time job and working through the MIT Computer Science OCW
      - hluska 6y ago
        If I was in a position to offer you something I would but I’m not. With some luck, someone else will see this and help you out. That said, I’ve read through your profile and you’re a heck of a good writer. You likely don’t need any help and you’re going to do very well for yourself!! :)
        sugarwater 6y ago
        Thanks! Nobody's ever told me that about my writing! My email is open if anyone wants to chat, to anyone that sees this :-)
pseudalopex 6y ago
Saying nothing was an option.
- anchpop 6y ago
  Why would you prefer he say nothing? As long as he’s not misleading people I don’t see what the harm of commenting is.
  - minimaxir 6y ago
    Spinning a negative as a positive is misleading at best.
    - pepy 6y ago
      you say misleading? how surprising
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    Framing a request to stop making false claims about dischargeability as a request to clarify them is misleading. Making it seem like those were the only false claims the settlement covered is misleading too.
threatofrain 6y ago
> Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? That was always the case, Lambda School just communicated otherwise to students.
sandofsky 6y ago
> What's he supposed to do? Apologize. > Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? "You can't discharge student debt," is actually a myth. I have two relatives that discharged their loans due to financial hardship. It isn't trivial, but there's a process. The issue with ISAs, in their current form, is the lack of legal framework. Short of bankruptcy, the best you can do is lawyer up. Lambda School targets people who can't afford lawyers.
- LMYahooTFY 6y ago
  I imagine you might ignore me here since you opted out of our other thread, but I'd like to ask: What specific issues do you have with the ISA?
foerbert 6y ago
This response just appears disconnected from reality. It's like watching somebody talk about how getting punched in the face was a wonderful and purely positive experience. It's just baffling. There are options other than being weirdly positive and ranting. They could not say anything at all. They could give one of several varieties of mea culpa. They could simply state their intentions going forward.
TheRealPomax 6y ago
In this particular case? It's an HN item, it's going to drop off the front page in <12 hours, so... not commenting would have been far more sensible than to try to PR-convince a cynical tech crowd.
threatofrain 6y ago
> Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? But if you lie about it, then...

by davidw 6y ago

rajacombinator 6y ago

Not to mention that Lambda School is an attempt to actually align the incentives of school and students, which is the main problem with educational financing today. Wrong target to pile on.

sugarwater 6y ago
As a student that went through the program, I question if their incentives were aligned. During the middle of my enrollment at the program (Sept 2020), the school suddenly dropped all notion of grading, code review, and attendance, let alone the length of the program. It remained this way for 3 months, 50% of the length of the program. This is a broad description of the changes, but I want to emphasize that the changes were terrible, _many_ students complained, and the school essentially whistled with fingers in their ears.
- hluska 6y ago
  Are you doing okay now?? That sounds awful...:(
  - sugarwater 6y ago
    I graduated at the end of February and am still job searching. In the meantime I have a part time job and working through the MIT Computer Science OCW
    - hluska 6y ago
      If I was in a position to offer you something I would but I’m not. With some luck, someone else will see this and help you out. That said, I’ve read through your profile and you’re a heck of a good writer. You likely don’t need any help and you’re going to do very well for yourself!! :)
      - sugarwater 6y ago
        Thanks! Nobody's ever told me that about my writing! My email is open if anyone wants to chat, to anyone that sees this :-)

pseudalopex 6y ago

Saying nothing was an option.

anchpop 6y ago
Why would you prefer he say nothing? As long as he’s not misleading people I don’t see what the harm of commenting is.
- minimaxir 6y ago
  Spinning a negative as a positive is misleading at best.
  - pepy 6y ago
    you say misleading? how surprising
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  Framing a request to stop making false claims about dischargeability as a request to clarify them is misleading. Making it seem like those were the only false claims the settlement covered is misleading too.

threatofrain 6y ago

> Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? That was always the case, Lambda School just communicated otherwise to students.

sandofsky 6y ago

> What's he supposed to do? Apologize. > Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? "You can't discharge student debt," is actually a myth. I have two relatives that discharged their loans due to financial hardship. It isn't trivial, but there's a process. The issue with ISAs, in their current form, is the lack of legal framework. Short of bankruptcy, the best you can do is lawyer up. Lambda School targets people who can't afford lawyers.

LMYahooTFY 6y ago
I imagine you might ignore me here since you opted out of our other thread, but I'd like to ask: What specific issues do you have with the ISA?

foerbert 6y ago

This response just appears disconnected from reality. It's like watching somebody talk about how getting punched in the face was a wonderful and purely positive experience. It's just baffling. There are options other than being weirdly positive and ranting. They could not say anything at all. They could give one of several varieties of mea culpa. They could simply state their intentions going forward.

TheRealPomax 6y ago

In this particular case? It's an HN item, it's going to drop off the front page in <12 hours, so... not commenting would have been far more sensible than to try to PR-convince a cynical tech crowd.

threatofrain 6y ago

> Also, it looks like you get out of Lambda School debts via bankruptcy, which you don't with regular college, so that's... an improvement? But if you lie about it, then...