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This feels like bad faith. Musk has been making these claims every year since 2016. His coverage of these claims on HN is regular and thorough. I went ahead an

This feels like bad faith. Musk has been making these claims every year since 2016. His coverage of these claims on HN is regular and thorough. I went ahead and Googled one for you from 2020: Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. It was already "very close" to achieving the basic requirements of this "level-five" autonomy, which requires no driver input, he said. - July 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313

omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
Do you mean this comment? I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year. Basic functionality for level five isn't level five.
- legolas2412 5y ago
  "Basic functionality for level five isn't level five." I'm surprised you say this totally seriously. For me this means that level 5 will be this year, and then there might be extra new cool features, which are not necessary. Basic functionality for level 5 sounds like both necessary and sufficient to me
  - omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
    I view part of basic functionality of level five as "Can the car drive on all roads in at least some circumstances?" That's still not sufficient, because it needs to do that in all circumstances (vehicles, people, animals, stuff, weather, etc), but even if it can handle all the circumstances (also basic functionality), if it can't at least all roads, then it's not level five. Right now, it's level two, and it's IMO going to be level two for a while. People can ask about level five, but I take any statements about Tesla's current autopilot and/or beta as statements about the level two system. People can assume that those statements are about some future level five system, but I don't think that's an accurate assumption unless someone from Tesla says autopilot and/or the beta is now level three, four, etc...
    - legolas2412 5y ago
      If that is your understanding of the phrase "basic functionality for level 5", can GM announce that they are installing two cameras in each car and now they have basic functionality for level 5? If basic functionality does not need to be sufficient, then even the tiniest necessary thing is basic functionality? Like installing a camera on each new car? In that case, Tesla already has basic functionality for level 5 in terms of both hardware and software.
      - omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
        Having hardware present could be the basic equipment required for level whatever functionality. Assuming the hardware had sufficient coverage/functionality. Tesla does have basic hardware needed for level two functionality, maybe more. They could have basic software functionality needed for level two or more with the beta, but someone would need some kind of audit to confirm that.
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  I mean, off the top of my head he claimed 1 million robotaxis on the road in 2020, and that the car would be able to drive LA to New York by itself, charging and all, in 2018. Who are you trying to fool?
  - omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
    That's not what I asked about in my initial post. Who are you trying to fool?

omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago

Do you mean this comment? I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year. Basic functionality for level five isn't level five.

legolas2412 5y ago
"Basic functionality for level five isn't level five." I'm surprised you say this totally seriously. For me this means that level 5 will be this year, and then there might be extra new cool features, which are not necessary. Basic functionality for level 5 sounds like both necessary and sufficient to me
- omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
  I view part of basic functionality of level five as "Can the car drive on all roads in at least some circumstances?" That's still not sufficient, because it needs to do that in all circumstances (vehicles, people, animals, stuff, weather, etc), but even if it can handle all the circumstances (also basic functionality), if it can't at least all roads, then it's not level five. Right now, it's level two, and it's IMO going to be level two for a while. People can ask about level five, but I take any statements about Tesla's current autopilot and/or beta as statements about the level two system. People can assume that those statements are about some future level five system, but I don't think that's an accurate assumption unless someone from Tesla says autopilot and/or the beta is now level three, four, etc...
  - legolas2412 5y ago
    If that is your understanding of the phrase "basic functionality for level 5", can GM announce that they are installing two cameras in each car and now they have basic functionality for level 5? If basic functionality does not need to be sufficient, then even the tiniest necessary thing is basic functionality? Like installing a camera on each new car? In that case, Tesla already has basic functionality for level 5 in terms of both hardware and software.
    - omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
      Having hardware present could be the basic equipment required for level whatever functionality. Assuming the hardware had sufficient coverage/functionality. Tesla does have basic hardware needed for level two functionality, maybe more. They could have basic software functionality needed for level two or more with the beta, but someone would need some kind of audit to confirm that.
itsoktocry 5y ago
I mean, off the top of my head he claimed 1 million robotaxis on the road in 2020, and that the car would be able to drive LA to New York by itself, charging and all, in 2018. Who are you trying to fool?
- omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
  That's not what I asked about in my initial post. Who are you trying to fool?